Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

[My Spot]

It's always hard to have this discussion because when I think "mass shooting," I think of events like this. The FBI and other posters here include any shooting where 4 or more people are injured, so every drive by, etc. is counted in that and it gets difficult to discuss solutions and root cause analysis.

This type of crime never happens in maine as it is one of the safest states in the union and has always had very favorable firearm laws. It's also 90% white -- no race bait, but it's very monolithic in terms of culture and heritage in comparison to, say, Baltimore which isn't that far away.

Well you can thank liberals for conflating things since they're the ones who started Gun Violence Archive and Mass Shooting Tracker after Sandy Hook.

 

[My Spot]

It's your creativity that sets you apart.

 

[Super_Nintendo]

When was the last time a guy killed 22 (or more) people in Chicago?

i dunno but labor day weekend in chicago the last 4 years...


Sept 8, 2020, 9:23am EDT
56 shot, 8 fatally, over Labor Day weekend in Chicago
An 8-year-old girl shot Monday was among the fatalities.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/...weekend-shootings-gun-violence-september-2020


Last Updated: Sep 07, 2021 at 1:47 pm
At least 65 people shot, 6 fatally, in Labor Day weekend gun violence
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...0210907-6zaipcheqnbr5aivqnzyrxbooa-story.html


Tuesday, September 6, 2022
Chicago shootings: 55 shot, 11 fatally, in Labor Day weekend violence across city, police say
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-labor-day-weekend-shootings-violence-crime/12203033/


Updated on: September 5, 2023 / 10:45 AM / CBS Chicago
Chicago weekend shootings: 8 killed, 41 hurt during Labor Day weekend
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/labor-day-weekend-shootings-sept-1-to-5/


not a peep, not a buzz, not a care in the world...

 

[oldshadow]

By the way the whole state of Maine had a total of 29 murders in 2022.

 

[skold]

Haha I got my first bolt action single shot .22 when I was 6. I didn't want my daughter to be raised the same way. So I got hers at age 5.

She's taking to it well. Healthily concerned with the safety of it and keeping it locked away when we aren't using it. She has a Daisy BB gun we practice safety with in the back yard and a Nerf gun we practice safety with inside the house. I'll toss one of them to her and ask her to "make it safe" (put the safety on, make sure it's unloaded, etc) and do the same with her bolt action (empty of course) to see if she does so while following the basic safety rules of firearm use. She's done me proud so far.

I do agree with you (no joke) about the posing with guns, blinged out guns, etc. being bad. It's a sign of emotional immaturity. Firearms are weapons intended for killing. We treat them as such in my house and while shooting may be fun, as any skill can be, it will never be treated with the levity that many gun enthusiasts show on social media. In this house we show discipline and respect to implements of killing.

all that being said, nobody should get all up in arms (lol) about people taking pics with guns now and then. In the US today wearing your political bravado on your sleeve is the norm. Rainbow flags, "I got my vaccine" filters, guns, military affiliation, red line/blue line, BLM, MAGA, "I'm with her," etc. etc. people just like to flex. People who make these types of things their main personality trait are disinteresting and under developed.

I'd have no problem with people wearing MAGA hats or rainbow flags or anime t-shirts or vaccine stickers or whatever. Basing your whole personality around a hobby or a worldview is weird, but in most cases your obsession isn't going to lead to multiple innocent people getting killed if you suffer a mental breakdown one day. I'm not afraid of some anime nerd snapping and murdering several random people with his blunt katana sword replica.... That concern is very real when it comes to gun enthusiasts though.

 

[Poon Goon]

I was wondering if things were still bad in Chicago. Knew that a Maine mass shooter thread would provide many updates on Chicago street violence. Thanks guys

 

[skold]

I was wondering if things were still bad in Chicago. Knew that a Maine mass shooter thread would provide many updates on Chicago street violence. Thanks guys

Thats why we don't need a Chicago homicide thread...
Any unrelated gun violence thread will be turned into a "but but Chicago" thread by the same reliable group of posters..

 

[Super_Nintendo]

I was wondering if things were still bad in Chicago. Knew that a Maine mass shooter thread would provide many updates on Chicago street violence. Thanks guys

it's part of the broad conservation about guns, more specifically the issue of how seriously the country takes gun violence. the chicago stats say we don't.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

This one event is going to fuck up so many people's lives forever, families and friends of the victims (and probably the shooter, I feel for them all. America is a great country with great people, it's weird how stuff like this happens there, i really don't get it.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Better picture:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...juries-multiple-locations-Lewiston-Maine.html

 

[skold]

Better picture:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...juries-multiple-locations-Lewiston-Maine.html

Looks like a "good guy with a gun" to me.

 

[Poatan Power]

I'd have no problem with people wearing MAGA hats or rainbow flags or anime t-shirts or vaccine stickers or whatever. Basing your whole personality around a hobby or a worldview is weird, but in most cases your obsession isn't going to lead to multiple innocent people getting killed if you suffer a mental breakdown one day. I'm not afraid of some anime nerd snapping and murdering several random people with his blunt katana sword replica.... That concern is very real when it comes to gun enthusiasts though.

Gun enthusiasts don't even make up 1% of firearm related homicides. Even if you exclude suicides. I'll exaggerate and call it 15,000 firearm homicides a year (excluding suicide) and the number committed with rifles, if I exaggerate grossly, would be around 500. It runs closer to 250-350. And even then, you still have to partition that further to extract how many were "gun enthusiasts" that had a mental breakdown. The number is measured in the dozens, and likely never hits triple digits in any given year out of 350,000,000 people and 150,000,000 gun owners.

The fact is that gun violence in the U.S. is solely driven by racially segregated neighborhoods in large cities that are on the whipping end of law enforcement (DEA, state drug laws, etc.) designed to combat gang activity and keep the criminal justice system fed with bodies. This fairy tale of "that concern is very real" is cool and all, but statistically just not supported. From a statistical significance standpoint, being killed in a mass shooting like today isn't far off of being killed by a cow, who kill about 2 dozen people per year. Do you ever drive by a dairy farm and think there's a very real threat out there being milked! Of course not. You also don't go traipsing through pastures full of cows if you're weary of them, just like you don't go to the ghetto of major U.S. cities because you may get shot. Statistically, anyway.

Not to undermine innocent people dying, because it's tragic and I hate it. But the drum I keep beating is that we have to defund the DEA/drug war domestically, stop putting people in prison for non-violent crimes, and keep people in prison for actual violent crimes. Violent criminals in the U.S. have a 70% recidivism rate and we wonder why violence keeps happening in the same neighborhoods when we let people doing strong armed robberies out after 2 years and they shoot someone else.

If you had a magic wand to disappear all of my AR15's (and the other dozens of millions of them) you will have successfully saved maybe a few dozen people per year, maybe even 100...assuming those same crimes could not have possibly been committed with a handgun or shotgun...meanwhile the inner city streets of America will continue to run red with the blood of poor, low education POC who can never get out due to systemic failures and governmental leverages against them that are wholly intentional.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...nd-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/

 

[skold]

Gun enthusiasts don't even make up 1% of firearm related homicides. Even if you exclude suicides. I'll exaggerate and call it 15,000 firearm homicides a year (excluding suicide) and the number committed with rifles, if I exaggerate grossly, would be around 500. It runs closer to 250-350. And even then, you still have to partition that further to extract how many were "gun enthusiasts" that had a mental breakdown. The number is measured in the dozens, and likely never hits triple digits in any given year out of 350,000,000 people and 150,000,000 gun owners.

The fact is that gun violence in the U.S. is solely driven by racially segregated neighborhoods in large cities that are on the whipping end of law enforcement (DEA, state drug laws, etc.) designed to combat gang activity and keep the criminal justice system fed with bodies. This fairy tale of "that concern is very real" is cool and all, but statistically just not supported. From a statistical significance standpoint, being killed in a mass shooting like today isn't far off of being killed by a cow, who kill about 2 dozen people per year. Do you ever drive by a dairy farm and think there's a very real threat out there being milked! Of course not. You also don't go traipsing through pastures full of cows if you're weary of them, just like you don't go to the ghetto of major U.S. cities because you may get shot. Statistically, anyway.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...nd-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/

That's why we draw a distinction between gang violence and indiscriminate mass shootings like this one.

A gangbanger is not likely to enter a library or a school with his hand gun and open fire on random people / children

 

[Deleted member 592570]

YOU are the wrong person. And your ban will be delicious. Dont make another account please, you contribute nothing of value

Imagine using a mass shooting thread to tattle on people. Despicable.

 

[650lb Sumo]

Looks like a "good guy with a gun" to me.

https://heavy.com/news/robert-card-x-twitter-politics/

Heavy reviewed the page shortly before it was suspended by X. It shows that Card followed and/or liked posts by X’s CEO Elon Musk and Dallas Mavericks’ owner Mark Cuban as well as a professor who studies terrorism and a number of prominent conservative politicians and pundits, including Donald Trump Jr. and Tucker Carlson. He also liked and shared posts by CNBC.

Card only followed a few accounts on X. The included a conservative 'MAGA' page called Proud Patriots, Elon Musk, Mark Cuban, CNBC, Joe Rogan and '@ ProfAsifNawaz,' whose page says he is an 'Assistant Professor of International Affairs & History @UMaine, Terrorism, International Conflict, Muslim Politics.'

Card liked a post by former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, which read, 'President Biden has already caused record inflation. Now, his reckless refusal to negotiate could lead to a first-ever default. I am prepared to clear my calendar. Mr. President, what are you afraid of?'

He also liked a video by former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The caption on the post read, 'The trans movement, it turns out, is the mirror image of Christianity, and therefore its natural enemy. People who believe they’re God can’t stand to be reminded that they’re not.'

In March, he liked a tweet by Donald Trump Jr. that read, 'Given the incredible rise of trans/non-binary mass shooters in the last few years… by far the largest group committing as a percentage of population… maybe, rather than talking about guns we should be talking about lunatics pushing their gender affirming bullshit on our kids?'

Card also liked a post by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza that read, 'An assault weapons? Well, cars kill more people than guns do. But we blame the drivers. We don’t ban large or fast cars. We understand that cars, like guns, don’t act by themselves. The blame lies with the people who operate these mechanical devices. Common sense 101.'

Card also shared a post by a conservative page named Catturd that read, 'Good morning …When you don’t have the will of The People … you cheat, lie, fudge numbers, force lockdowns, illegally change election laws, run out of ink, make sure the voting machines don’t work in Republican areas only, hire 2000 mules, call voter ID racist, shut down counting on election night, do ballot dumps in the middle of the night which miraculously have 99% Democrat votes, have your propaganda communist media lie for you, count for weeks until you get your candidate to pull ahead then immediately shutdown counting, and arrest your political opponents to win.'

 

[skold]

Imagine using a mass shooting thread to tattle on people. Despicable.

Imagine using a mass shooting thread to start accusing people you don't like of being philes... while on dubs.

Sorry not sorry, that turd needed to be flushed a long time ago.

 

[Poon Goon]

it's part of the broad conservation about guns, more specifically the issue of how seriously the country takes gun violence. the chicago stats say we don't.

In a perfect world the mass shooter threads would be limited to news only and there would be a separate gun control thread. I'd like to know what is actually happening with this situation. However, it always goes directly to Chicago, race shit, and @My Spot spamming the same three posts ad nauseum.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

That's why we draw a distinction between gang violence and indiscriminate mass shootings like this one.

A gangbanger is not likely to enter a library or a school with his hand gun and open fire on random people / children

So black kids playing on the side of the road in the hood and catching a stray bullet are less valuable than white kids in a library getting shot by some psychopath?

 

[Source]

I was wondering if things were still bad in Chicago. Knew that a Maine mass shooter thread would provide many updates on Chicago street violence. Thanks guys

It’s their go to deflection whenever gun control is mentioned. They never seem to mention that half of all gun related deaths are suicides. They also seem to forget that gangs and gang violence is not a new phenomenon in the US. Gang violence has a long and storied history in America. It was just a lot more romanticized in the past for some reason though.

 

[shockaholic12]

C'mon man, there's a big difference between "owning a gun" and posing your young children with weapons for a fucking Christmas picture. There are a lot of people in this country who attach their entire identity to the guns they own. That's the fetish, and that's the difference.

Totally agree. The gun culture in this country is fucked. What used to be a tool to be treated with the utmost respect has become a prop for identity politics posturing and social media likes. YouTube is full of idiots with hundreds of thousands of followers if not millions treating them like toys and seeing how big of an explosion they can make to go viral. Idiots open carrying long guns to Starbucks for the reactions. Dummies handing their six year olds ARs for social media attention. Tv shows and flicks feeling the need to shoe-horn in absurd shoot outs with dozens of victims to try and out shock-value the last one. Gun companies selling neon green AR platforms billed as zombie apocalypse load outs to associate rifles with being toys. The list goes on.

gun owners should really hold the industry and themselves accountable for this. It’s only hurting them