Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

oldshadow said:
So owing a fun is a fetish?

Maybe to a person like you simply owing a gun is but to normal people it's not.
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C'mon man, there's a big difference between "owning a gun" and posing your young children with weapons for a fucking Christmas picture. There are a lot of people in this country who attach their entire identity to the guns they own. That's the fetish, and that's the difference.
 
oldshadow said:
So owing a fun is a fetish?

Maybe to a person like you simply owing a gun is but to normal people it's not.
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Theres is owning a gun... and keeping it in a safe.. and then there's indoctrinating children into the batshit insane American gun culture and having your kids pose with guns for family photos.. and buying bling gun accessories for your daughters. It's actual insanity.
 
skold said:
Theres is owning a gun... and keeping it in a safe.. and then there's indoctrinating children into the batshit insane American gun culture and having your kids pose with guns for family photos.. and buying bling gun accessories for your daughters. It's actual insanity.
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I think being a hunting enthusiast or even target shooting is a fine hobby. If you enjoy it and you raise your kids to do it too, there is nothing wrong with that IMO

However, taking family photos holding guns is fucking weird though. At that point, it is most definitely a strange fetish.
 
andnowweknow said:
Annnnddd...we're back to conflating people shooting other people in gang violence revenge killings with people randomly just killing a bunch of people they don't know or have any relation to.
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<Waaah>
 
jk7707 said:
C'mon man, there's a big difference between "owning a gun" and posing your young children with weapons for a fucking Christmas picture. There are a lot of people in this country who attach their entire identity to the guns they own. That's the fetish, and that's the difference.
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Not my thing to pose with a gun for a card but I have pictures with me and brother in law with new gun he got it was a special antique one.
 
skold said:
Theres is owning a gun... and keeping it in a safe.. and then there's indoctrinating children into the batshit insane American gun culture and having your kids pose with guns for family photos.. and buying bling gun accessories for your daughters. It's actual insanity.
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Haha I got my first bolt action single shot .22 when I was 6. I didn't want my daughter to be raised the same way. So I got hers at age 5. :rolleyes:

She's taking to it well. Healthily concerned with the safety of it and keeping it locked away when we aren't using it. She has a Daisy BB gun we practice safety with in the back yard and a Nerf gun we practice safety with inside the house. I'll toss one of them to her and ask her to "make it safe" (put the safety on, make sure it's unloaded, etc) and do the same with her bolt action (empty of course) to see if she does so while following the basic safety rules of firearm use. She's done me proud so far.

I do agree with you (no joke) about the posing with guns, blinged out guns, etc. being bad. It's a sign of emotional immaturity. Firearms are weapons intended for killing. We treat them as such in my house and while shooting may be fun, as any skill can be, it will never be treated with the levity that many gun enthusiasts show on social media. In this house we show discipline and respect to implements of killing.

all that being said, nobody should get all up in arms (lol) about people taking pics with guns now and then. In the US today wearing your political bravado on your sleeve is the norm. Rainbow flags, "I got my vaccine" filters, guns, military affiliation, red line/blue line, BLM, MAGA, "I'm with her," etc. etc. people just like to flex. People who make these types of things their main personality trait are disinteresting and under developed.
 
skold said:
Theres is owning a gun... and keeping it in a safe.. and then there's indoctrinating children into the batshit insane American gun culture and having your kids pose with guns for family photos.. and buying bling gun accessories for your daughters. It's actual insanity.
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I have guns in a safe and one I carry. My kids were taught to shoot and more importantly gun safety. I grew up were kids had guns and went hunting at a young age.

There are people that have an "unhealthy " relationship with guns.
 
My Spot said:
Well that's dumb since a majority of mass shooting suspects in this country aren't white.
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It's always hard to have this discussion because when I think "mass shooting," I think of events like this. The FBI and other posters here include any shooting where 4 or more people are injured, so every drive by, etc. is counted in that and it gets difficult to discuss solutions and root cause analysis because the umbrella gets too big.

This type of crime never happens in maine as it is one of the safest states in the union and has always had very favorable firearm laws. It's also 90% white -- no race bait, but it's very monolithic in terms of culture and heritage in comparison to, say, Baltimore which isn't that far away.

the fallacy here is that sensationalists on the left will hook into crimes that amount to less than 1% of firearm homicides (events like this) to write legislative answers (assault weapon bans) that will not actually address the criminal activity that amounts to well over 90% of firearm homicides (handguns, violent criminals released from prisons, POC disproportionate victimization/criminality in violence, the drug war).

Young Hispanic men make up 4% of the population but 8% of firearm homicides/deaths. Blacks are 13% of the population but commit 50% of the firearm homicides and are the victim of firearm homicide around 60% of the time. Note these are 70%+ handguns by far. Firearm accessibility and ownership to whites continues to rise, and AR15's are now in the dozens of millions, but their use in crimes is relatively stable. Meanwhile, the drug war rages on and keeps POC in ghetto communities incarcerated, on welfare, seeking financial opportunities on the streets where violence is king. those violence rates continue to stay steady as well.

Some people get it and understand that economics and the drug war are the root cause of these issues, but most would rather argue about scary looking guns. the biggest scam ever thrown at the american people is the idea of an assault weapon ban when rifles only amount to 3% of firearm homicides any given year, and that's hunting rifles included.
 
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