Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

[shockaholic12]

Huh? Sport hunting is a 'serious situation?'

Yes, that's why there are a bunch of laws about how where and who can do it with what kind of firearms.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Supply and demand. Gays would not pay to watch you j/o when they can fire up an app and get laid within the hour.

So gay porn doesn't exist? K...

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Yes, that's why there are a bunch of laws about how where and who can do it with what kind of firearms.

Not everywhere. At least not everywhere in America.

 

[shockaholic12]

Not everywhere. At least not everywhere in America.

Where in america can anyone go shoot whatever wild animal they want with any gun they want whenever they want?

This is some fast back tracking from "this isn't serious" to "well ummm at least not everywhere?"

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Where in america can anyone go shoot whatever wild animal they want with any gun they want whenever they want?

This is some fast back tracking from "this isn't serious" to "well ummm at least not everywhere?"

I'm not backtracking from anything. You're just straw manning as usual.

 

[shockaholic12]

I'm not backtracking from anything. You're just straw manning as usual.

And now we are backtracking from "umm well....not everywhere" to "I can't provide a single example of a place"

lol copy that.

 

[I Am Legion]

Would you explain more into the "just now" in your post?

I see similarities with Charles Whitman in 1966. The sniper in the tower. Even though it was more than fifty years ago, you can see many of the same stress stimulus and warning signs.

I think k the commission report mostly focuses on the inaction and neglect of the army and other organixations. I wonder if it is that simple or if it skips the larger issues of access to mental health

You don't think the rash of mass violence is a new phenomenon as far as frequency goes? The US never had mass shootings in this volume. The UK never had stabbings like this either. In my post I said there were always the stressors and issues. But never this kind of volume. Every week another occurs.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You don't think the rash of mass violence is a new phenomenon as far as frequency goes? The US never had mass shootings in this volume. The UK never had stabbings like this either. In my post I said there were always the stressors and issues. But never this kind of volume. Every week another occurs.

And don't forget, it's almost kids killing other kids these days. The people that are killing are getting younger and younger. There's no doubt there's been a degradation.

Someone will pipe in and say every generation thought that to which my answer will be every generation has been right!

What's hidden this from the eyes of people are the technological revolutions that have improved people's financial well-being.

 

[cincymma79]

No. Gay guys would pay to watch videos of me jacking off. I choose not to do it.

That’s not gay that just being supportive

 

[Limeade]

You don't think the rash of mass violence is a new phenomenon as far as frequency goes? The US never had mass shootings in this volume. The UK never had stabbings like this either. In my post I said there were always the stressors and issues. But never this kind of volume. Every week another occurs.

I read your post but pointed out a similar story happened before in 1966. So it's not new but ongoing for many reasons. We neglected mental health care providers and facilities for decades plus the people who could have stopped the Lewiston shooter . . . Did nothing. Swept it under the rug or ignored it.

Have you read the commission report yet?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

And now we are backtracking from "umm well....not everywhere" to "I can't provide a single example of a place"

lol copy that.

I can, I just can't be bothered getting into a big back and forth with a guy who argues as dishonestly as you do.

You originally said that the issue was capitalism and that American marketing of guns didn't treat the subject seriously enough any more.

They used to literally market guns in America to children FFS. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

As time went on gun culture went from viewing them as a serious tool for serious situations to today where guns are have been perverted into a weird cultural and political identity politics prop overused and overrepresented in almost every aspect of society and media.

And here's that post before you go and edit it or some shit

 

[shockaholic12]

I can, I just can't be bothered getting into a big back and forth with a guy who argues as dishonestly as you do.

You originally said that the issue was capitalism and that American marketing of guns didn't treat the subject seriously enough any more.

They used to literally market guns in America to children FFS. You have no idea what you're talking about.

No you can't. There's no big back and forth needed. You just choked when one response is all i'm asking for.

You implied sports hunting isn't taken seriously. I said yes it is, they take it so seriously that when, where, who is hunting, how it's hunted, and what can be hunted can be criminal actions if the rules aren't followed.

Then you backtracked from "it's generally not taken seriously" to "um, well not everywhere". I asked where then and you tapped out. End of story.

I said the issue with today's environment is the shitty gun culture along with the modern capitalist approach of marketing and selling as many guns to as many people as possible.

This ad is from a different era and culture doesn't make any points against anything. The gun culture and guns in media has only gotten worse and the ads still have kids in them.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

No you can't. There's no big back and forth needed. You just choked when one response is all i'm asking for.

You implied sports hunting isn't taken seriously. I said yes it is, they take it so seriously that when, where, who is hunting, how it's hunted, and what can be hunted can be criminal actions if the rules aren't followed.

Then you backtracked from "it's generally not taken seriously" to "um, well not everywhere". I asked where then and you tapped out. End of story.

I said the issue with today's environment is the shitty gun culture along with the modern capitalist approach of marketing and selling as many guns to as many people as possible.

This ad is from a different era and culture doesn't make any points against anything. The gun culture and guns in media has only gotten worse and the ads still have kids in them.

Arizona has famously lax hunting laws.

In Georgia you can buy a hunting license at Walmart for like $10 and go shoot 10 deer.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ermac88]

We should have a "thoughts and prayers" section on the site

Just for mass shootings

 

[shockaholic12]

Arizona has famously lax hunting laws.

In Georgia you can buy a hunting license at Walmart for like $10 and go shoot 10 deer.

You don't know what you're talking about.

So you're describing a process where multiple laws have been passed requiring you acquire a license to only hunt specific animals of certain sex and maturity in very limited timeframes in limited counties using only the specific types of weapons at different approved times that are allowed ....as something that's not taken seriously?

That's the dumbest shit I've read this week.

They literally regulate every single aspect of the hunting process from when to where to what to whom to how to hunt it. And you're all "lol that's so unserious derp."

Deer Hunting Regulations - Georgia Hunting

Archers may not possess any firearms while hunting during archery deer season and primitive weapons hunters may not possess any centerfire or rimfire…

www.eregulations.com

 

[Limeade]

“When there is someone
who is a danger to
themselves, or to the
community, do the
uncomfortable task and
protect us.”
Danielle Jasper, survivor
and victim


The army found several officers in Robert Card's chain of command were in dereliction of duty for failure to act. I think that's the right assessment. The local sheriff expressed concerns. His own son asked for help. His sister left five voicemails asking for help. One of the attending doctors during a psychiatric stay described him as unfit for duty.

What I don't understand is why an officer in command would ignore this information. It goes against everything I have ever seen.

 

[Limeade]

“When there is someone
who is a danger to
themselves, or to the
community, do the
uncomfortable task and
protect us.”
Danielle Jasper, survivor
and victim


The army found several officers in Robert Card's chain of command were in dereliction of duty for failure to act. I think that's the right assessment. The local sheriff expressed concerns. His own son asked for help. His sister left five voicemails asking for help. One of the attending doctors during a psychiatric stay described him as unfit for duty.

What I don't understand is why an officer in command would ignore this information. It goes against everything I have ever seen.

One year anniversary of this event.

"the Maine Legislature responded to the shootings by passing new gun laws that bolstered the state’s “yellow flag” law, criminalized the transfer of guns to prohibited people and expanded funding for mental health crisis care."

Also the families are suing the army commander for failure to act. I have not read the filing but if it's under the federal torture claims act I think that's a higher bar and unlikely to win. But if it's to draw attention or achieve a settlement?

 

[jefferz]

It's not. Ideally you'd have a sub-carbine (MP5), but those are expensive, and highly regulated.

If you're by yourself a handgun (or preferably multiple handguns) is ideal. It's extremely hard to safely disarm someone of a handgun--even if you get a hand on it--not true for a long gun. Handguns also offer the advantage of being able to carry multiple on your person, so if you have a malfunction you are still in the fight.

Shotguns are great against a single target, but are slower to put on multiple targets--and the slower fire rate and size of the weapon make it more likely to be disarmed and have it turned against you.

An MP5 for home defense?

Good lord, you got a Phalanx at the top of the steps as well?