Looking Back At Adesanya's Overrated Record

[Lusiv]

Like clockwork, the second someone loses, they're not that good. The second their top wins start to lose, their wins were never any good. It's so easy to pick apart wins outside of context, shit on records, opposition and do anything you can to break down a man's resume to make sense of why he lost a fight you thought he should have won.

You can do this with everyone after the fact. Maybe it's just a ridiculously difficult sport to maintain dominance in and the amount of disciplines makes it even more cumbersome. When someone is 20-0 and fights the top guys, they're going to eventually lose. MMA isn't based off of one discipline. Smarten up.

You could add Vettori to that list before he beat Jack. Again, context matters. This thread sucks.

The strange thing is that this happens more with MMA's core fanbase. It's pretty easy to see that Israel is a special fighter, going to 20 - 0 is pretty special but hey what ever to keep a fighter down that you don't like. I don't even like Israel, that shit he did with his dog was beyond disturbing but id say he's the best striker that's been UFC Champion.

 

[Substance Abuse]

The strange thing is that this happens more with MMA's core fanbase. It's pretty easy to see that Israel is a special fighter, going to 20 - 0 is pretty special but hey what ever to keep a fighter down that you don't like. I don't even like Israel, that shit he did with his dog was beyond disturbing but id say he's the best striker that's been UFC Champion.

The obsession with the '0' is a construct of modern boxing because champions mostly fight lesser guys in between big fights every few years. MMA is so much more diverse. It's so much more difficult to maintain an undefeated record fighting top guys with so many different disciplines involved.

 

[Glove]

I feel like Costa and Romero made Israel seem better than he actually is. Last nights result didn't surprise me at all. I can count only 3 good wins in the UFC on his record.

Good wins

• Robert Whittaker
• Kelvin Gastelum
• Marvin Vettori

Overrated wins

• Costa (One dimensional, only notable wins are uriah hall, and old losing streak romero)
  
• Romero (42 years old, out of prime, was/is on a losing streak)
  
• Brunson (Gatekeeper, lost to old man Silva. Cerrone of the middleweight division)

Bad/unimpressive wins

• Silva (old man)
  
• Wilkinson (don't even know who that is)
  
• Tavares

Ignored, forever.

 

[Straatblaffer]

Costa losing to Robby doesn't invalidate how good of a win he is and how Izzy beat him. It just means Robby is that good, which elevates him even more and makes the Izzy win look even greater. I'm not looking to shit on any of these guys at all. This is a ridiculously tough sport.

Any of these guys could lose to each other on any given night and at 185, Izzy racked up win after win there. Izzy has shown great TDD at 185. Jan is much bigger than him and that size helped with the takedowns. It still isn't easy to Izzy on the ground in his weight class.

You forget Costa was drunk . Anyway, Izzy had good tdd against b level wrestlers. If he fights guys like Usman, They will likely keep him down as well. Beside the weight difference, Izzy made some strange choices on the ground. He gave up position a few times, and Jan isn't a particurarly great wrestler.

Anyway, we will see what the future brings. I think Robert should be next after (if) he beats Costa. If Izzy beats him, good for him. I have nothing against him as a person

 

[cws80us]

Yep, the old "never was that good anyway" thread.

 

[MMAElite4]

third loss of his career. lost to vettori and romero. hes way overrated.

 

[The Half Blood Prince]

The haters have been waiting years for this moment

This is such a sad attempt to try and down play Izzy's success. Some fans have such a short term memory

 

[CasualBot]

Sherdog recognition of accomplishments post fight:

(still, thin izzy ain't taking a prime silva)

 

[pinero]

I rest my case.

"My case" <45>

 

[Breaducce]

Vettori arguably won.

Ok I will go along with your logic to highlight an issue with what your statement implies. So now we are accounting for arguable wins. So now tell me when comparing fighters how much should we weight arguable wins to say actually wins on a fighters resumes? Is Vettori's arguable win vs Israel weighted more then say either of Costa's actual wins vs Hall or Romero?

 

[Breaducce]

A lot of us were saying what TS is saying before this fight.

You mean to tell me that their is a consensus of people that argue that Israel only has 3 good wins on his record and that his win vs Vettori was better quality win then over Costa or Romero because again that just does not make any sense. Israel has fought and defeated elite MW fighters in his division without a loss and just lost a good fight to the champion of the weight division higher then him. Given his achievements and good effort towards his recent championship attempt how could he possibly overrated?

 

[teamfox223]

You can make that argument for just about for everyone.

Jan Blachowicz: Beat bunch of middle weights, Beat a ex-football player turn MMA fighter to get the belt, go 1-1 and 6 rounds with Manuwa who everyone else KO's gets and most of all getting beat by the likes of Pat Cummins.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

He has better wins than Kabob

Poor .500 Conor

 

[Dbreiden83080]

No he doesn't, and Khabib is 10x more dominant than Izzy and his bum tier grappling.

You either win or you lose.. You want to grade the scale of each W.. Usually when a fighter is winning so easy, it speaks to his level of competition. Conor is an all time great for Khabib fans when discussing Khabib beating him.

Outside of that conversation Khabib fans think Conor is a Bum.

 

[Kid Quick]

Ok I will go along with your logic to highlight an issue with what your statement implies. So now we are accounting for arguable wins. So now tell me when comparing fighters how much should we weight arguable wins to say actually wins on a fighters resumes? Is Vettori's arguable win vs Israel weighted more then say either of Costa's actual wins vs Hall or Romero?

Different fighters on different nights, is like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

If he beat Jan, you guys would be on here claiming he’s the greatest combat athlete.

This thread is peak sherdog.

 

[Pirroh]

Bad post, TS

 

[TJ Dillashank]

OP doesn't realize still being a champ is an amazing achievement. Also all his wins are good.

 

[LetThemBleed]

Fixed:

Good wins

• -

Overrated wins

• -

Bad/unimpressive wins

• Silva (old man)
  
• Wilkinson (don't even know who that is)
  
• Tavares
• Vettori (split decision, not even sure if he won or not, got wrestled by an Italian)
• Romero (40 years old, losing streak, nothing happened in the fight, should be a draw)
• Gastelum (went life and death with fat WW and almost loses)
• Brunson (career gatekeeper, panic wrestler)
• Costa (only beat old guys, almost loses to Uriah Hall, gassed roided out freak)
• Whittaker (lost to old man Romero, lifelong welterweight, is Australian)

 

[lostdog000]

i dont like him but he is legit