Lerone Murphy / Mosvar Evloev Title Shot.....why no outrage for Murphy??

[JKS]

While it's understandable to say they're not that far apart Evloev IS clearly ahead and always has been so until he gets a titleshot or L or idk Murphy KOs Pico only Murphy himself would say he's next in line.

True, true. Resume wise I like Evloev as well, Murphy has made it close with more activity and the more recent win.

I was just surprised at the difference how Murphy got no push for a title shot and Evloev got so much.

I think if Murphy gets the W over Pico he's got the next shot.

 

[sdpdude9]

I guess I will agree with you and say his resume is better, you can invalidate wins with anyone. I had the idea they were pretty equal at the start of the thread, Evloev's resume was better, but Murphy was more active and had the more recent win. So I saw it as equal in that respect.

But my point was more about how Murphy got no attention with his streak and performance for a title shot, but with Evloev, there's been an outrage. Even if Evloev deserves it a bit more, I would have figured the fans and media would have saw it more equal in that respect.

I mean, if general consensus is one guy has a better resume then why would there be outrage about the lesser guy not getting a title shot? Murphy also just got his first top 10 win, Evloev has one of those and top 5 win.

 

[rollthedice]

Well, I don't know about that. Sterling was a great BW, but at FW he was 1-0 with a win over Kattar, he really had no footing at FW. Lopes was his UFC debut and had no ranking, to take his current value and equate that to 2023 makes no sense.

Everyone likes to change the narrative to get their point across or to just be argumentative. It is also how the UFC operate. Sad truth is Movsar has the better quality wins, he had them earlier, even you pointed out Lerones wins are more recent because he is more active, but they are against weaker competition. Sterling gained his footing by beating Kattar easily and showing he was a welcomed addition to the 145lb division. Movsar beat Diego, and he would do it again doesn't matter what they were ranked at, they both proven they're top 5 now and all that means is one less person for Movsar to beat when he attempts to clean out the top 10, however UFC and the fans seems to be cucks for rematches so I can see Diego being gifted a shot when Movsar finally wins it

 

[TheNewGame]

But my point was more about how Murphy got no attention with his streak and performance for a title shot, but with Evloev, there's been an outrage. Even if Evloev deserves it a bit more, I would have figured the fans and media would have saw it more equal in that respect.

Murphy beat two 40 year olds, and Dan Ige. Title shot?

A lot of people thought Evloev should've gotten the title shot over the guy he beat, that's all.

 

[Kenny Powerth]

Between their 18 wins I think 16 are decisions

 

[nostradumbass]

Because Evloev is ranked 1, has a longer win streak, a better win streak, beaten 2 top 5s including the most recent title contender and a recent BW champ. Murphy isn't top 5, hasn't beaten a top 5, and hasn't even won all of his fights. Numbers wise he's on a good streak so he should get some higher ranked guys now, but obviously there's not going to be "outrage" because a guy who isn't top 5 and went to draw with Zubaira Tukhugov isn't leapfrogging over guys with better resumes.

 

[sdpdude9]

Because Evloev is ranked 1, has a longer win streak, a better win streak, beaten 2 top 5s including the most recent title contender and a recent BW champ. Murphy isn't top 5, hasn't beaten a top 5, and hasn't even won all of his fights. Numbers wise he's on a good streak so he should get some higher ranked guys now, but obviously there's not going to be "outrage" because a guy who isn't top 5 and went to draw with Zubaira Tukhugov isn't leapfrogging over guys with better resumes.

This thread is basically “Why isn’t the less accomplished fighter getting the same attention?”

 

[gentel]

Lerone is good and also deserves a TS soon but Movsar beat Arnold Allen, Aljo, and Diego Lopes so he deserves it first

Lopes getting the TS over Movsar was just stupid and ridiculous. Lerone has also had his title run slowed down way too much

 

[JKS]

Murphy beat two 40 year olds, and Dan Ige. Title shot?

A lot of people thought Evloev should've gotten the title shot over the guy he beat, that's all.

I didn't say Murphy deserved the shot nor did I say he deserved it more than Evloev. My point was that Murphy has got zero recognition for a title shot, despite being very similar performance wise to Evloev, while fans and some media, has been very critical of Evloev not getting shot and he's been getting all the attention for the title shot. I was just inquiring why there was such a divide amongst fans.

 

[JKS]

This thread is basically “Why isn’t the less accomplished fighter getting the same attention?”

No, the thread is more about why is the slightly less accomplished fighter getting zero attention, despite being not too far off performance wise, and the other is getting all of it and a ton of complaints that he didn't get his shot. I would have figured there would have been more of a balance, even if Evloev has more favored.

It would make sense if Evoev was 9-0 and the other guy 5-0 and Evloev had the much stronger wins. But since 2019.....9-0 vs 8-0-1. Evloev does have the better wins overall, but Murphy has been more active being 5-0 since 2023 and Evloev 3-0 and has the more recent win in April. So that evens it out more.

 

[sdpdude9]

No, the thread is more about why is the slightly less accomplished fighter getting zero attention, despite being not too far off performance wise, and the other is getting all of it and a ton of complaints that he didn't get his shot. I would have figured there would have been more of a balance, even if Evloev has more favored.

It would make sense if Evoev was 9-0 and the other guy 5-0 and Evloev had the much stronger wins. But since 2019.....9-0 vs 8-0-1. Evloev does have the better wins overall, but Murphy has been more active being 5-0 since 2023 and Evloev 3-0 and has the more recent win in April. So that evens it out more.

Why are people complaining about the guy with better wins not getting a title shot and not the other guy? It’s pretty easy to understand.

 

[JKS]

Why are people complaining about the guy with better wins not getting a title shot and not the other guy? It’s pretty easy to understand.

I can understand the complaints about Evloev, I am just questioning why there is zero support for Murphy and no criticism for him not being in the title picture. They are very close performance wise. For not having the better wins, Murphy gains ground with being more active and having the most recent win. So, no, Evloev is not far ahead as a #1 contender. I would have figured there would be complaints for both and not such a disparity.

 

[sdpdude9]

I can understand the complaints about Evloev, I am just questioning why there is zero support for Murphy and no criticism for him not being in the title picture. They are very close performance wise. For not having the better wins, Murphy gains ground with being more active and having the most recent win. So, no, Evloev is not far ahead as a #1 contender. I would have figured there would be complaints for both and not such a disparity.

Because he has 1 top 10 win over 40 year old Emmett who had 2 of his last 3 and arguably should have lost to Kattar right before that. Why would that have people clamoring for his title shot?

 

[JKS]

Because he has 1 top 10 win over 40 year old Emmett who had 2 of his last 3 and arguably should have lost to Kattar right before that. Why would that have people clamoring for his title shot?

Well, maybe not clamoring. But I would have figured a guy on a 9 fight unbeaten streak, being 8-0 and 3 straight ranked wins would be in the conversation. I just haven't heard anything while there has been a lot of outrage over Evloev.

If you're talking rankings and wins, compare their last 3 wins.....Evloevs wins were over #9, #7 and unranked. Murphy has #8 , #14 and #10. So it's not like far more impressive.

I am must seeing too much value on Evloev and not enough on Murphy.

 

[sdpdude9]

Well, maybe not clamoring. But I would have figured a guy on a 9 fight unbeaten streak, being 8-0 and 3 straight ranked wins would be in the conversation. I just haven't heard anything while there has been a lot of outrage over Evloev.

If you're talking rankings and wins, compare their last 3 wins.....Evloevs wins were over #9, #7 and unranked. Murphy has #8 , #14 and #10. So it's not like far more impressive.

I am must seeing too much value on Evloev and not enough on Murphy.

Well let’s go back one more and use actual accurate rankings


Evloev
#4 (still 4)
#8 (now 7)
Unranked (now 2)
#12 (now 14)

Murphy:
#8 (still 8)
#14 (still 14)
#13 (now unranked)
Unranked (cut)

So Evloev has the only top 5 win at the time of the fight. 2 wins over guys that are currently in the top 5. And 2 top 10 wins at time of the fight.

Murphy has 0 top 5 wins at the time, 0 wins over guys currently in top 5, and 1 top 10 win at time of the fight.

They’re not as equal as you’re making them out to be.

 

[xhaydenx]

Lerone just hasn't fought anyone elite. He keeps getting chances to impress against middle fighters but then all he does is beat them boringly.

 

[JKS]

Well let’s go back one more and use actual accurate rankings


Evloev
#4 (still 4)
#8 (now 7)
Unranked (now 2)
#12 (now 14)

Murphy:
#8 (still 8)
#14 (still 14)
#13 (now unranked)
Unranked (cut)

So Evloev has the only top 5 win at the time of the fight. 2 wins over guys that are currently in the top 5. And 2 top 10 wins at time of the fight.

Murphy has 0 top 5 wins at the time, 0 wins over guys currently in top 5, and 1 top 10 win at time of the fight.

They’re not as equal as you’re making them out to be.

How it is now isn't really as relevant as at the time of the fight. It's the ranking at the time of the fight that matters more.

Anyhow, I don't think it will make much difference soon. I think Murphy will take care of Pico and then get the title shot. Evloev will have to fight again.

 

[sdpdude9]

How it is now isn't really as relevant as at the time of the fight. It's the ranking at the time of the fight that matters more.

Anyhow, I don't think it will make much difference soon. I think Murphy will take care of Pico and then get the title shot. Evloev will have to fight again.

Sure it is. Having a recent win over a guy that’s now #2 and just fought for the title is definitely relevant.

 

[JKS]

Sure it is. Having a recent win over a guy that’s now #2 and just fought for the title is definitely relevant.

I think is is yes, but just not as relevant as a win today. I mean he technically beat Lopes when he was unranked 2 years ago, he did not beat the #2 FW today. Lopes just had a very quick rise improved very quickly. Would the the result be the same now?? I don't think so, I think Lopes would take it now, he's a more improved version than in 2023 in his UFC debut. Relevant and good for Evloev, sure, it's a quality win as Lopes is highly regarded now. But does it have the value of actually beating the current Lopes? No. It's like Islam beating Arman.

 

[TR1]

There is more crying on Sherdog about supposed "bathtub brigade entitlement" than there are actual upset Evloev fans.

By all means though, keep crying about that strawman.