Television Rewatching ‘Some’ Game of Thrones

[europe1]

Its genuinelly impressive how a couple of seasons turned GoT from the GOAT to has-been trash. Just a decade of excellence flushed down the toilet. We will not see failure on this scale again in our lifetimes.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Its genuinelly impressive how a couple of seasons turned GoT from the GOAT to has-been trash. Just a decade of excellence flushed down the toilet. We will not see failure on this scale again in our lifetimes.

It was inevitable the downfall. The source material wasn't there to finish it off with the same consistency as the previous seasons had. I wasn't surprise. It is what it is.

 

[Brother Numsi]

I dont think the show NEEDED Strong Belwas, as cool as he was.

The Lady Stoneheart thing really seems to be a very important plotline they just erradicated.


Never cared much for alot of the Dorne stuff, until Doran finally mobilizes for war. They built Areo Hotah to be a GOAT but he was jobbed out on the show like a can, that sucks.

But it doesnt make me shit all over the show, it's still very entertaining to me overall.

I agree

No way could they get everything and every character in the show but they didn’t even try to finish the series on a strong note

 

[HHJ]

look at Rome, look at The Wheel Of Time, they left both those shows without an end. par for the course in today's TV show culture.

I didnt watch Wheel of Time, but I did watch Rome.

They ended Rome as best they could, but for Game of Thrones to end the way the books ended and never getting any more than that, would have caused rioting in the streets.

It's a first for a show to just overtake a book like that. Game of Thrones became bigger than anyone could have imagined.

 

[europe1]

They ended Rome as best they could, but for Game .

Rome is a weird one.

After season 1, they were given 4 more seasons. But right before season 2 went into production, they were cut down to only 1, so they had to cram in everything there.

However, the original ending was way weirder. It was supposed to end in Israel with Jesus being born. Hence that Jewish character Timeon.

I really wonder what the reaction would have been to Rome turning into a Jesus series in the last season.

 

[HHJ]

@europe1
hahah you had to figure thats where they were headed, but to be honest, I liked the ending as it is. I thought it was brilliant.

 

[method115]

I think you're way to hard on Sansa honestly. She had a horrible life pretty much the minute she left Winterfell and was treated like shit and used by everybody except Tyrion. She didn't trust Jon and who could blame her after the shit she's been through? Out of all the Starks on that show no one even comes close to having it as hard as she did. Even the red wedding is a better outcome than being tortured\raped by that psycho Ramsey every night.

Her spilling the secret about Jon turned out to be the right move because it only showed how crazy Danny is. That's not betraying family that's doing what's best for them because they are to naive to do what they need to do.

Jon is a naive child and was told he should wait and not attack Winterfell but he didn't want to listen and almost died because of it. Jon pretty much spends the whole show not listening to anyone and doing whatever he wants and almost dying (or dying) because of it. If it wasn't because of his plot armor he would have been one of the first Starks to die. I was surprised he even had the balls to kill Dany at the end of the show.

 

[TheChance]

the show ending was trash, but i don't really give a shit either. i guess because i'm so jaded from Hollywood fucking up endings in lots of things, it didn't bother me and i had already foreseen that GRRM wasn't going to finish the books so the show was most definitely going to switch gears because the story is too convoluted and not finished.

i wasn't that interested in Dorne until Doran started to show he wasn't just going to sit on his ass. that, and the subplot of Arianne/Darkstar. most characters i've seen read/watched many theories on over the years, but Darkstar i have no fucking idea why he did what he did and that is intriguing to me. his whole family is interesting to me.

i'll also say i really enjoyed the earlier seasons when they were basically copy/pasting the book. once they started removing stuff from the books i knew it was going to be fucked. the way the story is, minute details and seemingly unimportant things end up being keystones that connect the overarching plot. like Strong Belwas seems unimportant but, to me at least, the fact that he has a name and does stuff, it seems like he's going to be part of something important later on even if he himself isn't. kind of like how Quentyn was in the books. he himself was not important, but him getting melted and his dad being Doran affects the story going forward.

This. I never see people bring this stuff up but it is one of the better subplots. especially when you consider his physical description and the fact that dawn hasn't made an appearance in the books yet.

 

[TheChance]

It's also flawed AND very entertaining. But this next season needs to come out guns blazing after how slow the last one was.

I fond it to be pretty boring as a whole. I hade no real interest when the show was announced. A Targ castle drama is not something I find compelling but hey they got dragons so they thought it would be a draw. Bloodmoon, the show about the first long night and the age of heroes that they shot a pilot for and neve brought to series was a way more interesting concept. Instead we got Hotd which kinda sucks.

 

[HOLA]

For the life of me I couldn’t get into GOT.

As Ian McShane said, "it's only tits and dragons."

To be fair, some of those tits were quite nice. Besides for that, I was indifferent, except for the ending, which was memorable because of how badly they fucked it up.

 

[RichardHarrow]

As Ian McShane said, "it's only tits and dragons."

To be fair, some of those tits were quite nice. Besides for that, I was indifferent, except for the ending, which was memorable because of how badly they fucked it up.

That’s another deterrent. To invest only to have a poor ending.

 

[Bobby00]

I hope those 2 wont ever get a chance to ruin another show. May they be damned to write 3rd rate Law and Order shows for the rest of their careers.

 

[Thrawn33]

I dont think the show NEEDED Strong Belwas, as cool as he was.

The Lady Stoneheart thing really seems to be a very important plotline they just erradicated.


Never cared much for alot of the Dorne stuff, until Doran finally mobilizes for war. They built Areo Hotah to be a GOAT but he was jobbed out on the show like a can, that sucks.

But it doesnt make me shit all over the show, it's still very entertaining to me overall.

Still pissed they did Show Barriston Selmy so dirty after his epic "I quit!" from.the kingsguard

 

[Prefect]

they should've kept all the bullshit that happens in the books and they should've ended it when the books ended and that's it. that way people would be unhappy, but because the story is left unfinished and all of the subplots are left open it at least gives people stuff to theorize on. i know book readers still do what i'm saying because the books are like that, but i don't get why they HAD to end it. the story in the books is much more convoluted but people who enjoy Game of Thrones LIKE THAT. leaving it like that also takes it out of their hands and puts the majority of blame on GRRM. "can't finish something that's not done folks, sorry yall!"

they should've kept Lady Stoneheart, Strong Belwas, and not completely destroy the Dorne plotline. then just end it on the pink letter and the Iron Bank. i don't get it, you can always come back to it later on when GRRM finally finishes the books. otherwise who gives a shit? it's not the end of the world, they've done stuff like that all the time, look at Rome, look at The Wheel Of Time, they left both those shows without an end. par for the course in today's TV show culture.

I think the problem with Game of Thrones is that there never is an ending in real life. To me, a fitting ending would have been some deus ex event that never really is fully explained or hinted at like the white walkers just turning around for some unknown reason and all going back north randomly or after a closed door meeting with Varys, hinting that he has always had an outsized role in protecting the realm but it is never fully explained and the conversation between the king white walker and Varys is cryptic or not even in a language that the viewer understands and goes unsubtitled. That would setup the idea that The Game of Thrones is a lesser power game than what is behind closed doors and out of sight that ultimately protects the realm rather than re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It would also present the idea that the realm was never really protected by the wall, armies, or dragons but through back channel diplomacy that is only known and controlled by a very small group.

 

[Hog-train]

The best episodes are literally the first few episodes of season 1.

 

[ufcfan4]

I think the problem with Game of Thrones is that there never is an ending in real life. To me, a fitting ending would have been some deus ex event that never really is fully explained or hinted at like the white walkers just turning around for some unknown reason and all going back north randomly or after a closed door meeting with Varys, hinting that he has always had an outsized role in protecting the realm but it is never fully explained and the conversation between the king white walker and Varys is cryptic or not even in a language that the viewer understands and goes unsubtitled. That would setup the idea that The Game of Thrones is a lesser power game than what is behind closed doors and out of sight that ultimately protects the realm rather than re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. It would also present the idea that the realm was never really protected by the wall, armies, or dragons but through back channel diplomacy that is only known and controlled by a very small group.

Cool idea. I’m all for keeping an air of mystery. That said, I think the fundamental problem with the last few episodes of the series is that they had spent so much time telling us that all that really mattered was the battle for the living but then NK and the Army of the Dead end up being like the third-tier villain of the season. They are overcome rather unceremoniously and it’s back to jockeying for the throne with Cersei seeming like the big bad, only for the Dany heel turn to come about for the final two episodes.

People often point to the final season being rushed and I think there’s absolutely no doubt of that. Trying to tie all those loose ends in the amount of time that they did was not going to work.

And what’s odd is that they went with GRRM’s plan for who sits on the iron throne at the end but gave us no compelling reason for him to be there. He has a great story according to Tyrion…yeah, but we barely saw any of it in the later seasons, outside of him getting Max Von Sydow and Hodor killed and indifferently saying goodbye and good luck to Meera Reed.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Keeps getting better, with Season 4 being the best. Then it just takes a dive. You can't tell me you don't notice a steep decline beginning with season 5.

 

[HHJ]

Keeps getting better, with Season 4 being the best. Then it just takes a dive. You can't tell me you don't notice a steep decline beginning with season 5.

Hardhome kicked ass

 

[WhiteMousse]

Hardhome kicked ass

It did. But the show itself was waning hard. They were already breaking the immersive elements of the show, like traveling taking months. Part of what made the first four seasons so amazing was the fact that there was impact, realistic obstacles like time and distance, and a constant battle of wits in that setting. Season five abandoned those restraints that had given the show its tactile, consequential and real feeling.

You'll never hear me argue that Hardhome wasn't amazing. But it was nested in a dying series.

 

[HHJ]

It did. But the show itself was waning hard. They were already breaking the immersive elements of the show, like traveling taking months. Part of what made the first four seasons so amazing was the fact that there was impact, realistic obstacles like time and distance, and a constant battle of wits in that setting. Season five abandoned those restraints that had given the show its tactile, consequential and real feeling.

You'll never hear me argue that Hardhome wasn't amazing. But it was nested in a dying series.

Nah. I wouldnt go far as saying it was dying. I was always entertained by it. Last 2 seasons were rushed and there were some shit decisions but i'm still a fan of the show, and the lore.