"Kill All The Wolves" and invasive species?

Entropy S said:
Explain what you understand under invasive then? Because imo people are pretty invasive. It's natural behavior, but we invade other species their habitats and make it our own.
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Invasive species are non indigenous species. Humans naturally migrated everywhere technically. There's a difference between an animal venturing in to new territory and placing boars and cats in places that the ecosystem evolved without them. If humans considered themselves invasive, then 99.999% of every species on Earth is an invasive species and the word loses all meaning.
 
Sometimes it's awesome though.

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Slick_36 said:
Invasive species are non indigenous species. Humans naturally migrated everywhere technically. There's a difference between an animal venturing in to new territory and placing boars and cats in places that the ecosystem evolved without them. If humans considered themselves invasive, then 99.999% of every species on Earth is an invasive species and the word loses all meaning.
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If we put those animals there that wouldn't really make the species invasive. Also a lot of ecosystems evolved without humans and then we come into the pic. A whole lot of species can coexist when migrating. We can't. We bomb the place with concrete and what not, that's the difference.
 
Entropy S said:
If we put those animals there that wouldn't really make the species invasive. Also a lot of ecosystems evolved without humans and then we come into the pic. A whole lot of species can coexist when migrating. We can't. We bomb the place with concrete and what not, that's the difference.
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The difference is we broke the rules, we somewhat broke through the barriers of instinct and what is natural. We operate under a different set of rules, albeit with more responsibility. Are people destructive and toxic, you bet your sweet ass we are, and it's not ok. Us introducing those species is exactly invasive. Cats, pigs, toads, and pythons all lack the ability to make boats and they sure as hell aren't about to swim across the ocean.
l Noob Saibot l said:
Awww so cute and cuddly!!!!
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I'm surprised we haven't gotten a Pixar movie about a gator and python who go on adventures together. The gator is a big lovable lug while the python is the wisecracking sidekick who just loves to give his pal hugs.
 
Slick_36 said:
The difference is we broke the rules, we somewhat broke through the barriers of instinct and what is natural. We operate under a different set of rules, albeit with more responsibility. Are people destructive and toxic, you bet your sweet ass we are, and it's not ok. Us introducing those species is exactly invasive. Cats, pigs, toads, and pythons all lack the ability to make boats and they sure as hell aren't about to swim across the ocean.


I'm surprised we haven't gotten a Pixar movie about a gator and python who go on adventures together. The gator is a big lovable lug while the python is the wisecracking sidekick who just loves to give his pal hugs.
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We're perfectly natural imo. Yes, we introducing those species is invasive of us, not of those species. They didn't have a choice.
 
Entropy S said:
We're perfectly natural imo. Yes, we introducing those species is invasive of us, not of those species. They didn't have a choice.
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Well duh, it's not like I'm putting any blame on them by calling them invasive species. If I have AIDS and Kyle laughs at me like an asshole, so I give him my AIDS when he's sleeping, that's not the AIDS fault. But it's still going to kill him unless we find the cure in time. Comprende?
 
Slick_36 said:
Well duh, it's not like I'm putting any blame on them by calling them invasive species. If I have AIDS and Kyle laughs at me like an asshole, so I give him my AIDS when he's sleeping, that's not the AIDS fault. But it's still going to kill him unless we find the cure in time. Comprende?
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This thread asked for invasive species, so why mention them if you are not gonna call them invasive species?
 
Entropy S said:
This thread asked for invasive species, so why mention them if you are not gonna call them invasive species?
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They are invasive species. That doesn't make them bad animals, they just do what they've evolved to do. Problem is some ecosystems didn't evolve defenses against them. It's like having a fighting game, and having a perfectly balanced character roster and then introducing a DLC where the new character is extremely OP. You were arguing semantics.
 
Slick_36 said:
They are invasive species. That doesn't make them bad animals, they just do what they've evolved to do. Problem is some ecosystems didn't evolve defenses against them. It's like having a fighting game, and having a perfectly balanced character roster and then introducing a DLC where the new character is extremely OP. You were arguing semantics.
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So let me get this right, in your eyes a species can only become invasive when humans put it into an unfamiliar ecosystem? I don't think that's what TS was inquiring to.
 
Entropy S said:
So let me get this right, in your eyes a species can only become invasive when humans put it into an unfamiliar ecosystem? I don't think that's what TS was inquiring to.
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In my eyes, an invasive species is one that finds itself in an alien ecosystem. Back in the day, this might have happened because of ice melting from the ice age or something else crazy that doesn't happen often. Humans right now are introducing a million animals in to alien environments, usually by accident in fact. Wolves in North America are not invading species, they're indigenous. That's like if I walked in to someone's home, murdered them, and they're kids came to take it back so I started shooting them saying I was the rightful owner of the home and they are invading my space.
 
This is one type of hunting I absolutely deplore.

100% pro hunting for food, 100% pro killing dangerous predators who are actively threatening life, stock or property.

Wolf Hunting has indeed become a backwater bloodlust thing on the basis of a totally bullshit pretext. Same with rattlesnake roundups, etc. Their reasoning does not pass the smell test, they're just the type of fuckwads who kill shit that can't kill back.
 
Slick_36 said:
In my eyes, an invasive species is one that finds itself in an alien ecosystem. Back in the day, this might have happened because of ice melting from the ice age or something else crazy that doesn't happen often. Humans right now are introducing a million animals in to alien environments, usually by accident in fact. Wolves in North America are not invading species, they're indigenous. That's like if I walked in to someone's home, murdered them, and they're kids came to take it back so I started shooting them saying I was the rightful owner of the home and they are invading my space.
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Imo invasive species are the Vikings of the animal kingdom and they pray to Odin to grow epic beards.
 
fox's are ****s when it comes to live stock, I'm assuming wolves are as bad if not worse.
 
I have done quite a bit of research on wolves, and wolf reintroduction in particular, for school since the late 90's. I also work in the hunting and fishing industry, and have a unique perspective.

The more an ecosystem is left untouched, or restored the better. The loss of those alpha predators devastates the environment. There is a ton of misinformation about the species, and a lot of it is fueled by big money lobbyist groups. THe Cattlemens and hunting groups don't like sharing the FREE land the Government allows them to use. It's a subject which both sides feel passionately about, and is honestly more suited to the War Room, and is plagued by bias statistics, and crazy political blog posts. I do support hunting, and even a well controlled wolf season in restored areas. That's not what's happening though. The entire population in WA last year was counted at 51 animals, yet hunters are demanding hunting and poaching has been out of control.

A great documentary is "Land of the lost Wolves" which documents the return of Wolves in WA State. It's gives perspective to both sides of the argument, and is a very informative. It's been shown on Discovery and BBC, and you can find it online. Here's a youtube link, but quality isn't great, so if you're interested you may want to look for the amazing HD version.

http://youtu.be/COiskamvoOY
 
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Terrible to see while we in Germany try to reintroduce Wolves,Lynx and Bison
 
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