"Kill All The Wolves" and invasive species?

[WandySaku2]

...or how about this: If you have, say, a flock of sheep, wouldn't it be in your best interest, or better yet a smart, and responsible thing to have a pack of flock guardian breed dogs? Or if you have cattle, make sure you have some bulls.

I'm not saying this is a magical solution, but I doubt wolves would be so quick to attack livestock if they knew there was resistance. Seems like a natural way to solve a natural problem.

 

[Slick_36]

It would balance out eventually, but neither elk or wolves would have healthy numbers do to humans hunting.

The problem is money. States are losing millions. I for one love to hunt so I am bias, but this is effecting states economies. States like Montana and Idaho generate a lot of income off of non resident tags. If game numbers suck, then non residents won't come.

You were wrong in your assessment that they do not have an affect, but if it is your beliefe that nature should take it's course regardless of economic impact, then that is fine with me.

I have a very simple solution for your economic dilemma. Legalize marijuana. Projected to earn billions for the states that have legalized it. Then you can earn more money than you do now, wolves don't have to go extinct there again, elk will eventually bounce back, and the hippies won't complain if you eventually do kill the wolves.

 

[Cazadores]

I have a very simple solution for your economic dilemma. Legalize marijuana. Projected to earn billions for the states that have legalized it. Then you can earn more money than you do now, wolves don't have to go extinct there again, elk will eventually bounce back, and the hippies won't complain if you eventually do kill the wolves.

Well there ya go.

 

[DoctorGonzo]

I have a very simple solution for your economic dilemma. Legalize marijuana. Projected to earn billions for the states that have legalized it. Then you can earn more money than you do now, wolves don't have to go extinct there again, elk will eventually bounce back, and the hippies won't complain if you eventually do kill the wolves.

Slick for Pres !

 

[TripLikeIDo]

Isn't the only reason wolves were absent from these areas is from being hunted and driven out of them by humans in the first place ?

I suggest that it was unnatural for them to be absent from these areas, re introducing them is actually restoring the balance

Sounds like you just a beef with wolves my man as you have even admitted that there is nothing wrong with wolves killing deers etc, it's nature .

Are you a farmer or something?

I think that you are correct in stating that wolves are absent because humans drove them out, but the problem is the re-introduction or protection of them after the population has changed. We also have mountain lions around (and the populations are quite low), but no one is thinking of bringing more in just to balance things out. Plus, the lion hunting season keeps things pretty balanced and when you come across a lion kill in the woods, it looks more like a large version of what your cat would do, as opposed to a killing field.
No I'm not a farmer, I just live in an area where we have as many deer as NYC has pigeons, so it's quite obvious there's a surplus. Plus, like I said every year I end up dragging half-dead ones off the road because some jackass hit one and doesn't have the balls to either shoot it or at least get it out of traffic.
I also have a friend who lost a shitload of sheep to wolves a couple of years ago. When that happens, and it's his livelihood, you don't feel so bad when you see a picture of the 217lb timberwolf he shot the following year.

edit: and FYI neither he nor I talk about shooting all the wolves until extinction

 

[Dale Denton**]

I have a very simple solution for your economic dilemma. Legalize marijuana. Projected to earn billions for the states that have legalized it. Then you can earn more money than you do now, wolves don't have to go extinct there again, elk will eventually bounce back, and the hippies won't complain if you eventually do kill the wolves.

What he said.

 

[DoctorGonzo]

I think that you are correct in stating that wolves are absent because humans drove them out, but the problem is the re-introduction or protection of them after the population has changed. We also have mountain lions around (and the populations are quite low), but no one is thinking of bringing more in just to balance things out. Plus, the lion hunting season keeps things pretty balanced and when you come across a lion kill in the woods, it looks more like a large version of what your cat would do, as opposed to a killing field.
No I'm not a farmer, I just live in an area where we have as many deer as NYC has pigeons, so it's quite obvious there's a surplus. Plus, like I said every year I end up dragging half-dead ones off the road because some jackass hit one and doesn't have the balls to either shoot it or at least get it out of traffic.
I also have a friend who lost a shitload of sheep to wolves a couple of years ago. When that happens, and it's his livelihood, you don't feel so bad when you see a picture of the 217lb timberwolf he shot the following year.

edit: and FYI neither he nor I talk about shooting all the wolves until extinction

Sounds like Wolves could probably help keep deer numbers down around your area dude, more wolves = less deers from what I am told in this thread. You should be championing wolves ha ha

It is bad luck that your mate had some of his sheep killed. If he has a farm in an area known to have a lot of wolves he should look into better ways of protecting them I would suggest, that way he loes no sheep and no wolves are killed for doing what the do naturally (easy for me to suggest I will admit I ain't no farmer)

Also, each to their own but the sight of a shot timerbwolf would always be slightly depressing to me

 

[Cazadores]

Sounds like Wolves could probably help keep deer numbers down around your area dude, more wolves = less deers from what I am told in this thread. You should be championing wolves ha ha

It is bad luck that your mate had some of his sheep killed. If he has a farm in an area known to have a lot of wolves he should look into better ways of protecting them I would suggest, that way he loes no sheep and no wolves are killed for doing what the do naturally (easy for me to suggest I will admit I ain't no farmer)

Also, each to their own but the sight of a shot timerbwolf would always be slightly depressing to me

Wolves do have an impact on deer, but not nearly as bad as elk.

 

[DoctorGonzo]

Wolves do have an impact on deer, but not nearly as bad as elk.

Is there a reason for this ? Are elk easier for wolves to hunt or something like that

Do they like the taste more lol

 

[Cazadores]

Is there a reason for this ? Are elk easier for wolves to hunt or something like that

Do they like the taste more lol

I think, but don't quote me on this. Elk are easier to track for wolves. They move in herds and the wolves will follow the herds almost non stop. It's a reason why hunters will follow elk herds when hunting wolves. Also why elk are dying not only from being eaten, but from stress and exhaustion. They are unable to make it through the hard winters.

Now don't get me wrong, because they are having an affect on deer to, it's just not to the same extent. Deer (particularly older bucks) are extremely evasive. At one point they put a white tailed buck on 5 acres and couldn't find him for months. When they finally did he was hiding in a culvert.

 

[The Clinch]

So what these nutsos think about humans?

 

[Scrody]

The wolves that were there were driven out by doing this exact thing. Wolves haven't been gone 100 year, them being reintrodcued in to their natural land isn't going to do any damage.

Yes, it will.

The deer adapt. If not, they would be extinct by now. And if they die out from a natural predator, they deserve to die out.

So, just for reference, you don't give a shit if deer die out but your worried about wolf populations? :icon_neut

Rats? Are you fucking kidding?

They are amazing animals. So cute and VERY intelligent.

Have you even spent time around a domesticated rat?




Watch these videos and tell me with a straight face you want to wipe rat from the face of the earth.

Rats are disgusting creatures Oeshon, Jesus.

I think, but don't quote me on this. Elk are easier to track for wolves. They move in herds and the wolves will follow the herds almost non stop. It's a reason why hunters will follow elk herds when hunting wolves. Also why elk are dying not only from being eaten, but from stress and exhaustion. They are unable to make it through the hard winters.

Now don't get me wrong, because they are having an affect on deer to, it's just not to the same extent. Deer (particularly older bucks) are extremely evasive. At one point they put a white tailed buck on 5 acres and couldn't find him for months. When they finally did he was hiding in a culvert.

This is true. Elk are much easier animals to find then deer.

 

[Slick_36]

Deer aren't dying out Scrody.

 

[lowsingle]

Not sure about wiping a species off the planet( other that rats of course) but i am for people protecting their livestock. And people should be able to shoot wild animals if they endanger thier stock in any way like coming on to their land but not just opening hunting them in the wild to the point of extinction.

this, i dont think people should be tryng to wipe them off the earth, but if a farmer sees a wolf on his land, i have no problem with him shooting it to protect his property

 

[lowsingle]

Rats? Are you fucking kidding?

They are amazing animals. So cute and VERY intelligent.

Have you even spent time around a domesticated rat?




Watch these videos and tell me with a straight face you want to wipe rat from the face of the earth.

rats have been our biggest enemy since the dawn of civilization, stealing our food, costing billions of dollars in building damage every year, spreading disease etc. their population also stays proportional to ours. theyve basically been a parasite to humans

 

[Slick_36]

I had a hairless one eyed rat once. It was the sweetest most gentle pet I've ever had. And sported the biggest p4p balls I've seen as well. It was like a fat chihuahua with footballs inbetween it's legs.

 

[DoctorGonzo]

rats have been our biggest enemy since the dawn of civilization, stealing our food, costing billions of dollars in building damage every year, spreading disease etc. their population also stays proportional to ours. theyve basically been a parasite to humans

The brown rat , definitely

There are types of rat that are native to the countries they are found in that are not as invasive but brown rats are dirty little bastards.

Worked afternoon/nights at a pub years ago and I would usually clock off around 11-12pm. They would seriously be everywhere when I would walk to the train station , go out the back alley to throw rubbish out and even on the stations platforms. It's crazy how many come out when its dark. I saw the them munching on a fallen comrade one night, it was gross

 

[jefferz]

There was a coyote hunt contest out here a few months back and people were pissed about it but they still had it.


http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...ing-contest-goes-on-as-planned-in-new-mexico/

Those contests are normal for some places. Every year my town has at least 2 competitions, the next town over has 2, the town to the other direction has 2, etc. They get skinned out, the furs get tanned and sold. They can't make any money according to state law so the money goes to charity, they do the same thing with deer hides after deer season.
The Game & Fish local supervisor usually shows up at the events, never harasses anyone but will measure them, check them for diseases, takes a tally of how money were shot, etc.

I see nothing wrong with these types of hunts as long as the numbers can support it, if the number start dwindling then they need to be called off.

 

[Merlotte's]

I'm not against hunting as long as it doesn't lead to the endangerment or extinction of a native species.

 

[Iroh]

Again, we naturally spread to different lands. That's not invasive. Compared to pigs, toads, and cats that we introduced to places.

Explain what you understand under invasive then? Because imo people are pretty invasive. It's natural behavior, but we invade other species their habitats and make it our own.