just to remove all doubt about Tony/Werdum dust-up

I know Tony is mentally ill and a dick but for the sake of neutrality you could add that Werdum called Tony a fucking f slur for homo in Spanish.


Also love Tony saying: Cuandow jow estoy hablandow nesesitas kayate
 
I can't remember why Werdum did the crybaby thing at the Browne fight, but I remember loving it when it happened. Can someone remind me?
Not positive but I think it was to mock the crowd who was booing him for beating Browne
I know Tony is mentally ill and a dick but for the sake of neutrality you could add that Werdum called Tony a fucking f slur for homo in Spanish.


Also love Tony saying: Cuandow jow estoy hablandow nesesitas kayate
Yeah but that was after 10 minutes of interrupted bullshit. Werdum showed plenty of restraint IMO before he opened up his patented can of trilingual verbal-whoop-ass. Speaking of linguistics... I don't speak the language so I'm in no place to pick and choose a few words to try and craft a narrative.
 
But Khabib wasn't a complete asshole, like Tony.

Khabib gave credit to his God, his father, his team. Always humble. Always friendly and respectful to people.

Though Tony had a good streak, his borderline insane ego made him the exact opposite of Khabib.

His current multi-losing streak, now carries the exact opposite legacy of Khabib.




I wasn't talking about anything except the feeling that an absolutely narcissistic megalomaniac (Tony) always downgrades everyone, and believes "himself" to be special.

If you go reread what I said, I was talking about karma leveling-out Tony's ego; because at the end of the day no one is special, until they give credit to everybody else who made their position possible.

Khabib was actually the special individual of the two — internally strong, and yet humble, giving credit to everyone else but himself.

And Khabib continues to give back to his team and training partners ... while Tony drinks, mumbles incoherent thoughts, and gets in motor vehicle accidents.

My post was in response to your claim that "several" fighters had equalled Tony's win streak at lightweight, which is demonstrably false. There's been one.

I haven't mentioned Tony's personality for the simple fact I don't know him.
 
Can we please stop bringing up Tony’s mental problems or whatever after everything he does. The fact is he was trying to play heel and antagonize fighters for attention but just isn’t that guy to sell it. Sherdog psychiatrists suck
 
My post was in response to your claim that "several" fighters had equalled Tony's win streak at lightweight, which is demonstrably false. There's been one.

I haven't mentioned Tony's personality for the simple fact I don't know him.

My post actually said, Tony was an asshole, and called himself "special" ... and Karma has reversed his win streak and turned him into a clown.


I haven't mentioned Tony's personality for the simple fact I don't know him.

Nice gutless retreat.

The only "hints" we have as to "who Tony is" ... is by analyzing his record, his video clips, his media presentations, and his current lot in life.

When we analyze Khabib by these same metrics (even though we don't "know Khabib," either), we conclude his record is flawless ... his video clips and media presentations indicate he is a humble, well-liked individual, constantly giving credit to others ... not to mention his current lot in life is a multimillionaire, not doing anything crazy, but making sound investments for his team and for his future.

When we analyze Tony by these same metrics (even though we don't "know him"), we conclude his record is now destroyed ... his video clips and media presentations indicate he is an arrogant ass hole, liked by almost nobody, only talking about "himself" ... not to mention his current lot in life is a declining, addled f*ck, making stupid choices in his life, even at his age.

Denial ≠ rebuttal.
 
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“I came down from the mountain. Im not eating some bougie ass shit”. As he sips a green smoothie. Does it get any more bougie than that?
 
Tony would give Werdum fits on the ground in a street fight.
Might darce him
 
Tony has been an unbearable asshole dating back to TUF but in his prime was possibly the most exciting fighter we've ever seen in the UFC.
But idk how you could ever be a fan unless you completely ignored everything that came out of his mouth (which is what I did for the most part)

That being said "Dana White privilege" was an absolute banger and an all time great line
 
About 7 minutes in. He gets asked about his weight cut and starts rambling as only Tony can

Thanks lol

very true, he sure did not understand the irony in his statement

It seemed like maybe he was trying to antagonise Werdum, lol but Werdume just keeps on eating unawares. He was probably jealous that as a HW Werdum got to eat well.

Then he proceeded to call all of the media guys bitches. Classy guy
 
Tony making the comment about being able to beat Werdum was rude.

But a load of rubbish trying to paint Tony as bad for insulting Conor and Nate.
Before this Tony just won 9 in a row at LW, beat Josh Thompson, Barboza and RDA. And then Conor's gallivanting around holding up the LW division by boxing Floyd and now the reporter's talking about holding it up more with a Nate-Conor fight.

Also why did Werdum insult Tony in Portuguese and not in English (so others can understand) or even Spanish (so at least Tony might understand)?
 
This is an attempt to post the real video instead of the bullshit edited video (and a larger bullshit narrative) fostered in places like the other thread and among several fans that don't know the larger story.

If you don't want to watch the whole video, I've got a summary here for you:

Start: Werdum is friendly, does a fist bump with Tony

5:00: Karyn starts interviewing Tony. Asks him if he’s taking Kevin Lee seriously. Tony replies that he’s only there because he has to be there (AKA he doesn’t want to talk to her). She replies it isn’t all bad.

5:45: After Tony gives a nonsensical reply to Karyn basically droning on about how he is a badass he then completely randomly states “I could be fighting Werdum for a fucking title, and I’d kick this guy’s ass” while pointing to Werdum who is seated right next to him. Werdum clearly hears him and has a surprised/confused look on his face. But he shows restraint and doesn’t react to this guy talking shit next to him who said to a third party that he'd kick Werdum's ass while Werdum is present.

6:00: Another narcissistic personality disorder rant from Tony about how great he is and how he “doesn’t see any other bitch asses fucking doing the same shit I’m doing.” More talk about how he is an inspiration to everyone online. Says who the fuck are Khabib and Conor. Says other fighters are “fake ass motherfuckers”

7:15: Another interviewer asks him about his fight prep. Tony says he isn’t eating “bourgie-ass food” as Werdum eats next to him and then drones some more about how great and special he is. Werdum, once again, shows restraint and tries to tune this asshole out chatting on the phone to someone / clearly is getting more annoyed the more Tony rants about how he’s the fucking greatest thing since sliced bread non-stop and insults every pro fighter on Earth.

9:00: Karyn lobs yet another softball about how Tony owns himself or whatever fluff talking point will encourage part 54 of the Tony monologue about how special he is. Tony's reply is to somehow transition to talking about how people can kiss his ass. Then calls Nate and Conor “pieces of shit”

10:00: Werdum talks to someone in the background. Tony cuts him off and puts his hand in his face to interrupt Werdum. Werdum finally has had enough bullshit and responds to him, calling him on his bullshit.

10:30: In a classic passive-aggressive move, Tony insults Werdum to bystanders rather than to Werdum. He calls Werdum “fake” to his interviewers while not looking at Werdum. He basically confirms he was insulting Werdum at the 6-minute mark when he labeled other fighters “fake ass motherfuckers.” Werdum proceeds to call him out for being an asshole after enduring 10 minutes of this utter bullshit.

10:45: Clearly having enough, Werdum stands. Tony stands in response and calls Werdum a “punk ass.” In classic passive-aggressive move #2, Tony insults Werdum to his face but then instinctively turns to OTHER people and suggests Werdum is somehow bullying HIM. “Big guy, huh?” thus fueling the BS narrative of the poor wittle LW getting picked on by the big bad HW for no weason boo hoo.

11:00: Once there is a third party between the two of them creating distance he sits down and says “have fun fighting on my undercard” and the ankle pick comment (again... now that they’re separated). Tony effortlessly transitions into part 85 of his narcissistic personality disorder speech, and attributes the dust up to his inherent greatness bothering other fighters, completely unable to perceive the fact that it might have had something to do with him being a prick for 10 minutes straight.

12:00: When the interviewer asks what that was all about, Tony nonsensically suggests Werdum is playing “grabass” with his manager, then plays the “HW trying to pick a fight with a 155er” card for the shit he just instigated and suggests Werdum is mad because he “got his ass knocked out” (Werdum had just lost the HW belt to Stipe around this time)

12:45: Congratulates himself on his supernatural ability to “read people” and credits that to his diagnosis of Werdum as “fake.” Tony pulls down his hood, now relaxing to transition into spewing more negativity/insults now that the big mean HW man that held him accountable has left








See above please guys / watch the unedited video.

Anyway... yeah. Sort of weird this is still necessary and that the fake video (and fake Tony narrative overall) still persists. If anything this is reflective of the fact that the "where's your kid" guy and the "I'll fight Werdum" guy and the "I broke my training partner's rib, it was great!" guy and the restraining order guy may have gotten his head so far up his ass due to the fact that the media and fans, rather than question any of it, lobbed "boy you are so unique and great" softballs/memes throughout the entirety of that process SOLELY because he happened to be on a win streak. Maybe if more Werdums in the world held him accountable for his behavior he wouldn't have gotten the positive reinforcement pushing him to become so unpleasant.

/end of rant and eagerly await all the "fuck you he's amazing" talk


So in summary, champ shit only, Werdum is lucky he didn’t get a swirly.
 
I think what's lost in translation here is that Tony was a great fighter; UFC wouldn't give him a title shot, regardless of his streak, because they recognize that he's a bit nutty and didn't want the liability of him as champ; Tony misread that as he didn't talk enough shit to get a shot; and Werdum just happened to be sitting next to him that day.

Don't get me wrong, Werdum did talk over him, but directly in response to a question he was asked in portuguese by a reporter, and Tony felt disrespected. The reporter prompted that exchange, and I don't disagree that Werdum should've put the reporter on hold, but I honestly think he would've if Tony wasn't being such a twat.

Werdum stayed silent for a long time while Tony disrespected basically every fighter on the planet; so many other fighters wouldn't have stayed quiet as long as Werdum did.

They tried to give him a shot. First they gave him the interim versus Lee. Then he wore sunglasses indoors and blew out his knee. Then they gave him Gaethje and he lost.
 
They tried to give him a shot. First they gave him the interim versus Lee. Then he wore sunglasses indoors and blew out his knee. Then they gave him Gaethje and he lost.
Yes and no. Technically yes, either way. They were both shots at the interim title. Basically a shot before an actual shot. And he didn't get either of those until Khabib was champ, making his chances of becoming the actual champ a hell of a lot less; it's easy to assume UFC took comfort in knowing that.

To be fair, I believe his second interim shot was originally an actual title shot, versus Khabib, but Khabib couldn't get a visa due to covid restrictions.

Regardless, they never gave him a shot at a time that he could've managed to be the champ for any length of time; Tony doesn't draw like the other two PR disasters.
 
Yes and no. Technically yes, either way. They were both shots at the interim title. Basically a shot before an actual shot. And he didn't get either of those until Khabib was champ, making his chances of becoming the actual champ a hell of a lot less; it's easy to assume UFC took comfort in knowing that.

To be fair, I believe his second interim shot was originally an actual title shot, versus Khabib, but Khabib couldn't get a visa due to covid restrictions.

Regardless, they never gave him a shot at a time that he could've managed to be the champ for any length of time; Tony doesn't draw like the other two PR disasters.

I just think he had bad timing.

Tony beat Barboza in December 2015 to take his win streak to 7. Khabib was most of the way into his two year hiatus at this point, so it looked like Tony would get to the belt before Khabib.

Unfortunately for Tony, Conor also beat Aldo in December 2015.

We know what happened from there — Conor-RDA was supposed to happen that spring; RDA pulled out; Conor lost to Nate instead; Eddie got the title shot while Conor rematched Nate; and in November, when it might have been Tony vs Eddie for the belt, Conor got the title shot and Tony got RDA. (Khabib returns and beats Horcher and Johnson during this time, then misses another year).

Conor wins the belt, pursues the Floyd fight instead of defending, and Tony fights Lee for the interim title. Should they have stripped Conor and made that fight for the real belt? In hindsight, yes. But at the time I can understand why they didn’t — Conor was their biggest star, they didn’t know he’d be gone THAT long, Khabib was lurking, and Lee didn’t really belong in a title fight.

Regardless, Khabib returns and beats Barboza two months later and now the real title shot to determine the best lightweight is set for the following spring. But then sunglasses, bus, Raging Al steps in, Khabib is champ. Realistically Tony’s window is now closed.

Conor vs Khabib is the fight to make at that point since Conor hadn’t lost the belt, especially since Tony had such a bad injury. He miraculously makes it back to fight on the same card but they were never going to plan for that.

Tony is finally booked for the title again, but Khabib drops out, Justin beats the shit out of Tony, and that’s that.

The only fault you can potentially find with the UFC is (1) not making Tony vs Lee for the full belt (even though it wouldn’t have felt real until he fought Conor or Khabib anyway), (2) not choosing Tony over Eddie, which would have tough with Eddie having been an established name who had just beaten Gilbert and Pettis, or (3) not moving Tony up fast enough in general.

Personally I think it just was what it was. It’s unlucky to win that many fights in a row without getting the belt, but it’s lucky that Khabib wasn’t healthy the whole time. If they’re both healthy and unobstructed they simply meet sooner and Tony gets beat 50-45. In some ways this is the better outcome, because now Tony is the champ who never was instead of another in the line of really good contenders who got squashed by Khabib.
 
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