Law Judge Rules Everyone in the Country Illegally Must Register with the Government by Friday

[Mike]

This is absolutely true however the Dems stemming the bleeding and keeping the train on the tracks isn't enough and has clearly not shown to motivate their base enough to show up for them consistently and the lesson they seem to be taking from that is that they need to move further right. It's still been getting harder for the average person regardless of who's in power. Every time Republicans are in power they step on the gas and ratchet the country to the right and we never seem to get back to the original starting position. Trump is the result of decades of neoliberal politics and that wasn't all Republicans (not to mention Obama once said by the standards of the 80s he'd be a moderate Republican).

I mean shit -- the biggest healthcare reform we've had in modern times was Romneycare and Biden said he'd veto universal healthcare if it hit his desk. UHC is a basic function in every other developed nation on earth and it's too left for the Democrats. That is insane.

As an aside, I also don't think our traditional metrics for measuring economic health are terribly relevant for how the average person is doing in a country, mentally nor materially.

I can't agree with this post enough. Metrics don't tell the tale here. Get out there and talk to people that are poor to lower middle class and see how they feel. Go out and look at what's out there on social media. Middle aged adults like myself AND the new generation ready to pack it in and just go live in a van by the river. It's too much. They used covid as a trojan horse to raise housing prices and make this concentrated push to normalize a 50-60 hour workweek for the working class just to exist in tenement level housing.

And they think we're too dumb to realize what's going on but we fucking aren't lmao. We fully realize it and we don't fucking want to do it. That's why the rate of mental health disorders are going up, that's why the rate of depression and suicide is going up particularly for men. It's going largely unspoken but we fucking GET that they see us as valueless so they're just gonna put us in these little skinner boxes because we don't have any power or agency so we can't do anything about it. But jokes on them, because we CAN.

We can just fucking give up.

 

[Hog-train]

The administration may be *allowed to, but then they shouldn’t act like they value legal immigration when they clearly don’t. They don’t even value birthright citizenship as defined in the Constitution. Let’s just drop that bullshit pretense.

But those aren't "legal immigrants." They're mostly people who came in illegally and then retroactively got temporary statuses while they try to apply for asylum (which is backed up like crazy.)

As for birthright citizenship, they're trying to get rid of anchor babies and birth tourism. AKA people come here illegally, have a kid and use that as a pretense to get citizenship and avoid deportation.

Or richer people come on a tourist visa purposefully while pregnant so they can have a kid here. Los Angeles is considered the center of the maternity tourism industry, which caters mostly to wealthy Chinese women.

 

[BFoe]

But those aren't "legal immigrants." They're mostly people who came in illegally and then retroactively got temporary statuses while they try to apply for asylum (which is backed up like crazy.)

As for birthright citizenship, they're trying to get rid of anchor babies and birth tourism. AKA people come here illegally, have a kid and use that as a pretense to get citizenship and avoid deportation.

Or richer people come on a tourist visa purposefully while pregnant so they can have a kid here. Los Angeles is considered the center of the maternity tourism industry, which caters mostly to wealthy Chinese women.

They’re absolutely legal immigrants, how are the not? If a person schedules an appointment at a port of entry, shows up there at the appointed date and time, and is processed in, that’s a legal entry. They didn’t sneak in. They are literally being allowed in by US border officials, what’s illegal about that?

As to birthright citizenship, *you* may call them shitty names like anchor babies. The 14th Amendment just calls them citizens. If you want to change it, there’s an amendment process for that.

 

[Hog-train]

They’re absolutely legal immigrants, how are the not? If a person schedules an appointment at a port of entry, shows up there at the appointed date and time, and is processed in, that’s a legal entry. They didn’t sneak in. They are literally being allowed in by US border officials, what’s illegal about that?

I don't think you're understanding the situation. The majority of Venezuelans came here ILLEGALLY - not legally present themselves at ports of entry.

You seem to be under the impression that anyone that just shows up at ports of entry can automatically apply for asylum or temporary protected status. That is not the case.

The US government has severely restricted access to asylum at the border since 2017. There is a program called “Remain in Mexico” which forced certain asylum seekers to wait outside the US. So most had to stay in Mexico and the asylum backlog is on average 5 years to see a judge.

Then during the COVID-19 pandemic, asylum seekers at the border were just turned away without giving them a chance to present their cases for asylum. The rule was commonly referred to as “Title 42.”

So IN RESPONSE, a record number of Venezuelans came here ILLEGALLY starting in 2021 to now. Then most of them were just released into the country because they refused to be deported and Mexico wouldn't take them.

Then a many of them LATER got Temporary Protected Status to allow the to work TEMPORARILY. They have like 2 years to apply for asylum. This TPS is being allowed to expire by Trump.

This isn't some right wing conspiracy stats. This was all over mainstream news.

CBS: Record number of Venezuelan migrants crossed U.S.-Mexico border in September, internal data show

"Venezuela's refusal to accept U.S. deportations and Mexico's decision to only accept a limited number of Venezuelans means most of them are released from federal custody near the border."

Unlawful border crossings by Venezuelans​

As to birthright citizenship, *you* may call them shitty names like anchor babies. The 14th Amendment just calls them citizens. If you want to change it, there’s an amendment process for that.

Yea and a lot of citizens want to change that because people are taking advantage of it.

In the UK, a child is not automatically a British citizen simply by being born in the UK. To be a British citizen at birth, at least one parent must be a British citizen or have settled status in the UK.

For me personally, not sure if I agree with going to a UK style of citizenship, but I also do not like this trend of rich Chinese woman coming here on a tourist visa just to give birth. Some of them are even paying people residing here - sometimes illegals - to do a surrogacy and have the kid in the US so the kids get citizenship.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Yearly increases in health insurance are what eat up our gains up here. What used to feel like a benefit of my job now feels like a burden. Property taxes too, have skyrocketed up here.

Weird how you are complaining about property taxes skyrocketing, which help pay for local schools...

Then you voted for the guy who is cutting the Department of Education, who sends grant money and subsidizes those schools

So I guess you wanted higher property taxes to offset the losses in federal funding? Lmao

You don't like your healthcare insurance going through your employer....so you voted for the party that wants to keep insurance privatized despite it being more expensive and wasteful in overhead costs as opposed to government ran healthcare insurance?

 

[RockyLockridge]

Great way to scare off potential future immigrants. Man this country is going down the toilet. They contribute so much to our economy and commit less crime. I genuinely don’t understand the hate towards them.

The toilet your country is going down has been clogged for a bout a decade

 

[RockyLockridge]

We can just fucking give up.

seems to be the sentiment from young men through north america, Seems like the America dream is an unattainable mirage, most young urban professionals I know who make a decent living for one's self (50k+USD/yr salary) have seemingly checked out. They laugh and scoff at the idea of having a 4 bedroom home, 2 cars, a housewife and 1-3 kids. The idea of it seems completely and totally unattainable, despite 4 years of post secondary and all that.

 

[Andy Capp]

Wages since Covid are most definitely up, for some people lucky enough to be in industries where Covid actually lead to increased profit and demand. People like myself. I'm part of the blue collar demographic in the shipping/manufacturing sector that "rode the wave" during and post Covid.

So, you work at Amazon?

 

[Seano]

Weird how you are complaining about property taxes skyrocketing, which help pay for local schools...

Then you voted for the guy who is cutting the Department of Education, who sends grant money and subsidizes those schools

So I guess you wanted higher property taxes to offset the losses in federal funding? Lmao

You don't like your healthcare insurance going through your employer....so you voted for the party that wants to keep insurance privatized despite it being more expensive and wasteful in overhead costs as opposed to government ran healthcare insurance?

Yeah, complaining about taxes is weird. Who has ever done that before?

 

[Scerpi]

This issue doesn't make much sense for them. They fight for raising the minimum wage, taxing the rich, a higher economic floor, etc. while cheering on slave labor to undermine paying people a fair wage. They conflate legal and illegal immigration to try to hold a moral high ground when in reality they just want slave labor to drive prices down.

 

[Scerpi]

Weird. Judge who previously campaigned for Trump and donated to him, rules in his favor. Who saw that coming.

Weird... the Obama Judge who's daughter works to prevent illegal immigrants from being deported... ordered a plane full of illegal immigrants to turn around



Now if you want to debate that Judges have become political activists... I'd agree there

 

[Mike]

seems to be the sentiment from young men through north america, Seems like the America dream is an unattainable mirage, most young urban professionals I know who make a decent living for one's self (50k+USD/yr salary) have seemingly checked out. They laugh and scoff at the idea of having a 4 bedroom home, 2 cars, a housewife and 1-3 kids. The idea of it seems completely and totally unattainable, despite 4 years of post secondary and all that.

both the working class and young educated professionals can unite in feeling utterly defeated. Whether you're white or blue collar the goal is a soul crushing amount of hours. A generation ago people worked hours like that sure, in exchange for home ownership and putting their kids through college. A trade they made gladly and many men would make gladly today. But now they're pushing towards normalizing that kind og grind, but just for basic poverty level quality of life. There's a lot of shit going on to distract people from that, but it's still noticable.

So, you work at Amazon?

I haven't and wouldn't lower myself to work for them, no lmao. In an overlapping field to a degree, but on top of a shit culture which is standard in the industry their pay and benefits package is shit too. They are for felons with a history extensive enough to rule out other superior options.

 

[Andy Capp]

both the working class and young educated professionals can unite in feeling utterly defeated. Whether you're white or blue collar the goal is a soul crushing amount of hours. A generation ago people worked hours like that sure, in exchange for home ownership and putting their kids through college. A trade they made gladly and many men would make gladly today. But now they're pushing towards normalizing that kind og grind, but just for basic poverty level quality of life. There's a lot of shit going on to distract people from that, but it's still noticable.



I haven't and wouldn't lower myself to work for them, no lmao. In an overlapping field to a degree, but on top of a shit culture which is standard in the industry their pay and benefits package is shit too. They are for felons with a history extensive enough to rule out other superior options.

I was joking, of course. I only want my worst enemies to end up there.

Have you considered looking for similar work where the costs of living and healthcare are lower, say... Canada?

 

[syct23]

Yeah, complaining about taxes is weird. Who has ever done that before?

This country has been complaining about taxes ever since us natives spoke up for everyone back in Boston.

 

[Mike]

I was joking, of course. I only want my worst enemies to end up there.

Have you considered looking for similar work where the cost of living and healthcare is lower, say... Canada?

Lol I laid out a timeline of how much I've moved in the last ten years in a thread once and someone was basically like wow no wonder you're such an asshole. But yeah I've considered moving somewhere lately. Reno is one of many American cities that is basically a couple of notches above Detroit they just don't talk about it.

 

[Andy Capp]

Lol I laid out a timeline of how much I've moved in the last ten years in a thread once and someone was basically like wow no wonder you're such an asshole. But yeah I've considered moving somewhere lately. Reno is one of many American cities that is basically a couple of notches above Detroit they just don't talk about it.

Roger that. I have moved a lot. It sucks donkey dick. Here's to hoping you get to somewhere stable long-term. So yeah, sounds like you want to move to Canada.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Yeah, complaining about taxes is weird. Who has ever done that before?

It's not that you are complaining about taxes, it's that you voted to raise your property taxes and health insurance costs and you're complaining about getting what you voted for lmao.

 

[avenue94]

Maybe for you they don't. I've literally lived next to them my entire life and they've always been competition for work. Often illegal, under the table competition I can't reasonably compete with.

What roles or industries do you find yourselves in direct competition with them for?

Having an abundant source of illegal labor lowers wages and benefits for legal workers. And it's a bit elitist to say oh Americans don't want these jobs. Yeah man there are Americans that need entry level work. Always have been and always will be. Constantly flooding the market with people that will work for a ham sandwich isn't really helping us out.

It's a tradeoff, like most government policies. In exchange, you get subsidized construction and food costs (aka the opposite of the inflation you were mentioning) and more funding into local communities and social safety nets.

The part you are glossing over her is that literally there are not enough Americans to do all the jobs we want done. Both high and low skill, period. The demographics are way past that point. So you either deal with the resulting shortages or you bring in more labor at market or sub market wages. The latter is another thing people often confuse, some illegal workers do make under minimum wage, but a lot make above it and under the rate for legal labor. Again, tradeoffs.

As someone that's been working class my entire life, I can tell you we've also been out working these jobs historically too lmao. I'm tired of this who will do the crap jobs for low pay argument. Maybe nobody will if we stop importing the third world to do it, and acting like that's a necessity or something that's good for the economy.

Which is why personal experience doesn't trump actual broad evidence. To that point: when was the last time the US agricultural force was majority white or non-immigrant?

It's good for the corporations that are still making record profits while working class people are getting held down and gang banged, sure lmao. Not everyone thinks having a serf subclass is this amazing thing or that it's vital that we keep doing it because we have been doing it.

I don't disagree that a lot of lower income Americans get screwed. But it's not my immigrants, and the solutions are most definitely not be going after them. For example, to your point since you mentioned warehouse work. Wages aren't low there because of immigrants, they are low because Amazon dominated the system and then used its monopsony power to drive down wages over the long run as smaller companies fell out and there was less bidding for workers.

 

[bandicoot]

I read some article that some group in TN is hosting an event for hispanics only and one of the sponsors is ICE. I mean, we TN folk are pretty dumb; but look, we aren't Mississippi/Arkansas/Florida dumb, okay? I reckon they'd have better luck hanging out at Lowes/Home Depot in the early hours of the morning, but, w/e

I'm from Arkansas and as such, have met many Tennessee natives.

Y'all are, in fact, that dumb.

 

[Mike]

What roles or industries do you find yourselves in direct competition with them for?

Starting out as a teen I worked in food service and then retail. While working retail I started to transition from front end to the back room warehouse processes. I used that experience to transition into warehouse work. Following that I worked in a call center for a few years. That covers my teens to around age 31. All of those jobs were in Washington state. I always lived and worked around a large amount of immigrants the entire time I lived in Washington, and they were constant competition in every industry and for every job I had while I was there.

It's a tradeoff, like most government policies. In exchange, you get subsidized construction and food costs (aka the opposite of the inflation you were mentioning) and more funding into local communities and social safety nets.

The part you are glossing over her is that literally there are not enough Americans to do all the jobs we want done. Both high and low skill, period. The demographics are way past that point. So you either deal with the resulting shortages or you bring in more labor at market or sub market wages. The latter is another thing people often confuse, some illegal workers do make under minimum wage, but a lot make above it and under the rate for legal labor. Again, tradeoffs.

And this is where I have a major issue. We have normalized the idea that there’s all sorts of work that we can’t pay people a legal wage to do. It’s already widely known that the federal minimum wage is a joke. Hasn’t kept pace with inflation in decades, and nobody in an urban area can live on it. I can tell you here in Nevada nobody is advertising they’re paying minimum wage. Even shady job listings that don’t mention pay and benefits, when you look into it whatever the shit rate is it will be at least several dollars above the minimum wage. Absolutely nobody will show up for it here because you can’t live on it.

Then you’re going to sell me on the idea that all these jobs are so unprofitable they can’t even pay the already criminally low bare minimum? That’s a problem, and it indicates one of two things is happening. Either these companies are fucking lying about being unable to pay a living wage, because they’re dicks. Or we have large systems in place that require slave labor to function or the entire economy will collapse. If that’s the case that’s a fucking dire situation that we should be looking to remedy, not throw our hands up and say well indentured servitude is bad unless, you know, it’s the most convenient option for us. Then it’s fine.

Which is why personal experience doesn't trump actual broad evidence. To that point: when was the last time the US agricultural force was majority white or non-immigrant?

I don’t know but I think you’ll see from my above statement that it’s not relevant to me personally. Just because we’ve been doing it this way for awhile, that doesn’t mean we mindlessly continue to go this route without even considering the impacts to the economy. Frankly I think it’s a very bad thing that we’ve become so dependent on foreign labor done for pennies on the dollar, that everyone just hand waves things like having an unsecured border and not knowing how many people are here illegally committing crime and siphoning tax dollars. Oh you see we have to have slave labor and we can’t make Americans do it, so we have to accept all these other negatives.

Do we? I think more Americans are starting to say maybe we don’t. Maybe just because this has been the status quo that doesn’t mean it’s what’s best for America, and maybe it’s time to look into making some changes so things are more sustainable in the future.

I don't disagree that a lot of lower income Americans get screwed. But it's not my immigrants, and the solutions are most definitely not be going after them. For example, to your point since you mentioned warehouse work. Wages aren't low there because of immigrants, they are low because Amazon dominated the system and then used its monopsony power to drive down wages over the long run as smaller companies fell out and there was less bidding for workers.

Whenever this topic comes up I think a lot of people assume everyone that’s anti illegal immigration is anti immigrant. Well I can’t speak for everyone but I’m not. I know a lot of these people are just trying to escape hardship. I get that by far the biggest problem with mass immigration is it’s being used as a tool by corporations to lower worker wages, benefits, and eventually rights and protections. That’s not on the immigrants, that’s on the corporations and how they’re weaponizing them against the American workforce.

I get all that, but it for sure doesn’t change the fact that I don’t want a bunch of strangers continually just dumped here to suck up government funds and be used against me to suppress my wages and benefits. The working class has caught on that this sob story that we ever bring a single person over here to help them is bullshit. Our government doesn’t give a fuck about people. They’re constantly importing them because someone needs to go scrub those toilets for $5 an hour and Americans don’t want to do it anymore. You even see some people on the left openly admitting that.