Jones vs Tom - A sensible take

[Paolo Delutis]

It's Monday,

Time for some decorum after a weekend of chaos, ..look i enjoy the back and forth and jabs regarding Jones vs Tom and the lead up to Jones vs Miocic .

But its time to actually take a reasonable and sensible look at this whole situation..


So what really happened here...


Basically , Dana White in his infinite wisdom created an even bigger shit show of the HW division when he decided to make this HW interim title shot when Jones got hurt.

The fight was always Jones vs Stipe...Tom wasnt even in consideration when that fight was made originally..the UFC didnt need to make an interim title ..

Had this played out as it should of, we'd probably still be in the same place but we wouldn't have had such a * ( asterisk) put on saturday nights fight ..

That * (Asterisk) now creates problems moving forward as it creates issues for making this fight happen, Jones feels like hes owed something...and Tom thinks he's the champ...all avoidable circumstances.


The UFC is to blame here...and given their track record i dont know if they can make this fight happen... I think we should hold the promotion at fault here before we start calling people ducks.

Jones is a long time champion, and is a lifer in the UFCs eyes... And Jones knows this so if hes going to keep going ...he wants his bag and he deserves it honestly.


Tom , may be the guy to actually do it and beat Jones and is likely the future of the division but he only just earned his spot among the elite...his interim title status is questionable at best given Dana's need to sell a PPV., but because of it he now has a legit claim to the belt and will want to be given the opportunity to unify and make bank.

This puts the UFC in tough spot financially to make this fight happen...

Will they fumble the bag is the question here...not who's ducking who.


Ok.. done... Back to chaos

 

[SuperNerd]

This needed its own thread.

I haven't read this 1000 times this week

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Jon is the UFC Champion

and Tom is the Heavyweight Champion

Time for a New Belt

 

[Paolo Delutis]

This needed its own thread.

I haven't read this 1000 times this week

I didnt see those...i saw Jones is a fucking duck and Tom is the real champ ...etc

 

[Meathead Jock]

What makes Tom's interim status "questionable at best?"

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Jon is the UFC Champion

and Tom is the Heavyweight Champion

Time for a New Belt

Oh God ...no

 

[wisdom blows]

It's Monday,

Time for some decorum after a weekend of chaos, ..look i enjoy the back and forth and jabs regarding Jones vs Tom and the lead up to Jones vs Miocic .

But its time to actually take a reasonable and sensible look at this whole situation..


So what really happened here...


Basically , Dana White in his infinite wisdom created an even bigger shit show of the HW division when he decided to make this HW interim title shot when Jones got hurt.

The fight was always Jones vs Stipe...Tom wasnt even in consideration when that fight was made originally..the UFC didnt need to make an interim title ..

Had this played out as it should of, we'd probably still be in the same place but we wouldn't have had such a * ( asterisk) put on saturday nights fight ..

That * (Asterisk) now creates problems moving forward as it creates issues for making this fight happen, Jones feels like hes owed something...and Tom thinks he's the champ...all avoidable circumstances.


The UFC is to blame here...and given their track record i dont know if they can make this fight happen... I think we should hold the promotion at fault here before we start calling people ducks.

Jones is a long time champion, and is a lifer in the UFCs eyes... And Jones knows this so if hes going to keep going ...he wants his bag and he deserves it honestly.


Tom , may be the guy to actually do it and beat Jones and is likely the future of the division but he only just earned his spot among the elite...his interim title status is questionable at best given Dana's need to sell a PPV., but because of it he now has a legit claim to the belt and will want to be given the opportunity to unify and make bank.

This puts the UFC in tough spot financially to make this fight happen...

Will they fumble the bag is the question here...not who's ducking who.


Ok.. done... Back to chaos

Nah. The old rule was if a champ didn’t defend within a calendar year, an interim belt was made. Jones didn’t fight for 20 months. A division can’t just be on hold that long. If the fight doesn’t get made it’s because of Jon and Jon only. The guy spent 4 years getting his body ready to move to HW for what? To defend once and then start fighting LHWs again? I mean, you can’t make that make sense even if you tried.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

What makes Tom's interim status "questionable at best?"

His name was thrown into a interim title fight that had no business being made and wasnt even in title contention position when it was offered..dude won a sweepstakes into a title fight...

Maybe questionable is the wrong term..perhaps fortuitous.. is better

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Nah. The old rule was if a champ didn’t defend within a calendar year, an interim belt was made. Jones didn’t fight for 20 months. A division can’t just be on hold that long. If the fight doesn’t get made it’s because of Jon and Jon only. The guy spent 4 years getting his body ready to move to HW for what? To defend once and then start fighting LHWs again? I mean, you can’t make that make sense even if you tried.

Ur mixing two different things... stay on topic ... Jones bulk has nothing to do with this

 

[HHJ]

I didnt see those...i saw Jones is a fucking duck and Tom is the real champ ...etc

thats actually true

 

[wisdom blows]

Ur mixing two different things... stay on topic ... Jones bulk has nothing to do with this

It absolutely does. You just don’t like it cause it makes Jon look like a duck.

Why did Jon sit out nearly half a decade to prepare his body for a HW run if he is just gonna fight LHWs again? Can you help me understand?

 

[wisdom blows]

His name was thrown into a interim title fight that had no business being made and wasnt even in title contention position when it was offered..dude won a sweepstakes into a title fight...

Maybe questionable is the wrong term..perhaps fortuitous.. is better

You’re just wrong all over this thread. Jon was out for over a year, that is UFC tradition to make an interim, and Tom had the most wins of any fighter at HW against top 10 guys.

 

[RockyLockridge]

So basically, The UFC tried to do Tom right for taking the Interim title fight against sergei, Rewarding him with an interim title, Sponsorship bonuses for title fights, and even gave him a co-main title fight in his home country a chance to redeem his lone UFC loss.

but this has just been turned into a weapon against jones and implied ducking a fight he's simply never once been offered.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

It absolutely does. You just don’t like it cause it makes Jon look like a duck.

Why did Jon sit out nearly half a decade to prepare his body for a HW run if he is just gonna fight LHWs again? Can you help me understand?

Do you believe everything Jon Jones says do you also believe that he's going to defend his belt against Derick Lewis..

You're way too emotionally invested to have a reasonable conversation which is what this thread is supposed to be about ..at the end of the day the UFC jumped the gun and created this whole situation ..

The stipe fight was never canceled therefore there should have been no talk about Jones versus Tom until after the stipe fight... The UFC mismanaged the entire situation

 

[Paolo Delutis]

So basically, The UFC tried to do Tom right for taking the Interim title fight against sergei, Rewarding him with an interim title, Sponsorship bonuses for title fights, and even gave him a co-main title fight in his home country a chance to redeem his lone UFC loss.

but this has just been turned into a weapon against jones and implied ducking a fight he's simply never once been offered.

Exactly the flight was always Jones versus stipe..it was never a Jones versus Tom fight..never offered... how can you duck a fight that was never offered UFC really mismanaged this whole thing

 

[laleggenda27]

The UFC made a mess of the situation AND Jones is ducking. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

Also, the UFC's mistake wasn't creating an interim belt. The mistake was giving a title shot to a retired Stipe who was in his 40s, hadn't fought in years, and was flatlined in his last fight. That fight should have never been booked in the first place.

 

[Egészségére!]

As if the hole wasn’t dug deep enough Tom actually defended the interim belt once already

But even if they never gave it to him in the first place it’s not like Jones is willing to fight #2 or #3

He wants #11, a former MW or Jamahal Hill

Obviously you can’t have a champ who refuses to fight anyone in the top 10 so interim or not Jones just has to give it up

 

[RockyLockridge]

Exactly the flight was always Jones versus stipe..it was never a Jones versus Tom fight..never offered... how can you duck a fight that was never offered UFC really mismanaged this whole thing

If jones fights someone else NOT tom aspinall, We can start calling duck.

but listen, I've been here a while now. since almost highschool.

People FOREVER said Jones is ducking HW. He will never ever fight again. I remember people said he'd never fight again post reyes. I remember he'd never fight again after the second title strip. I remember them saying he'll lose his next fight after a lackluster match with OSP. I was one of those people in MANY instance.

I have a very good memory. I remember making this thread 4 years ago.

Anyone else eating their crow with extra salt?

So It's offical. Dana says The LHW belt is up for grabs, and supposedly Jan and Reyes are fighting for it. Is there anyone here who truly believed that Jones would one day move to heavy weight? He's been alluding to this since 2013, and it's pretty much always been nothing but hot air. I...

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Look at the very first response to this thread. Jones vacates the Belt to move up to HW and what is the very first thing said about him? He's ducking Reyes.
Now, All of a sudden I'm a "jones fan" this is what I was saying in that very thread

Running away from reyes and running into ngannou is not something I can't discredit jones for. I dont think he has what it takes to beat these heavy weights, In my eyes he's been visibly declining over his last 5 fights.

 

[Psychojoe86]

Yeah, no lol. This problem is bigger than just the two fighters and the belt.

The problem is that the ufc is selling a fraud. Aspinall CANNOT be champion while JONES is champion.

Aspinall CANNOT have a title defense now that Jones and Stipe have fought, the interim belt now disappears.

Aspinall is being screwed over, yes, but the fans are paying 80 dollars a ppv for Aspinall to fight for a FAKE belt. Not to mention paying money to see fights live for a belt that doesn't exist.

On top of the bmf fraud... ufc is not a real sport's company anymore.

 

[JKS]

His name was thrown into a interim title fight that had no business being made and wasnt even in title contention position when it was offered..dude won a sweepstakes into a title fight...

Maybe questionable is the wrong term..perhaps fortuitous.. is better

Considering that the timeline between Jones winning the title and Stipe/Jones the first time it was booked was 8 months. Also considering Jones injury at the time and it was said he's out for minimum 8 months it takes the title not being defended for 16 months, basically 1.5 years. So considering that, the interim title was absolutely justified to be made.

And in that scenario you had the two best HWs fight for that interim title in Tom and Sergei.