Economy Jon Stewart and Bernard Sanders

[deviake]

How do I cliff an hour long video? Lol.

For what it's worth, the video has timestamped sections so if you don't wanna listen to the whole thing you can pick and choose.

They discuss corporate greed, Democrats who want to support certain measures but don't for fear of big money primarying them and destroying their political careers (there's Democrats that have told Bernie that privately, including ones who wanted to support him on banning weapon shipments to Israel), government inefficiency and examples where the government has gotten shit done faster and how it can, shortening the length of campaigns and the effect that would have on decreasing corruption, the need to publicly fund campaigns, the divorce of labor and wages, universal healthcare, etc.

It's a great discussion and I think everyone can take something away from it regardless of what party you affiliate with and vote for.

 

[RemyR]

Even though I might disagree with Bernie with some of his policies, he's goddamn right on reading the general attitude of the room.

Trump won largely because people realize the current system isn't working for them and Trump is all about smashing the establishment to pieces. A vote for Harris represented status quo.

 

[cincymma79]

While I disagree with John on a number of topics he does at least seem to believe what he says and isn’t grandstanding. He’s full of shit sometimes but I think he just doesn’t know when he is

 

[Streeter]

Don't agree with Bernie much ever - but I respect him as he stand for what he believes and is honest about it an doednt try to hide if it suits him. The man can read a room unlike most progressives.

 

[Yehudim]

While I disagree with John on a number of topics he does at least seem to believe what he says and isn’t grandstanding. He’s full of shit sometimes but I think he just doesn’t know when he is

Stewart is only full of shit insofar as he has a different opinion from you, he’s a genuine guy.

 

[cincymma79]

Stewart is only full of shit insofar as he has a different opinion from you, he’s a genuine guy.

Wow you knew that without even knowing which things I meant. No way you’re completely full of shit and just being a child.

 

[SKYNET]

17 minutes in...

I wish I could have become a multi-millionaire with 3 mansions just by identifying all the problems for my employers, throughout my adult life.

Unfortunately, I was measured, not by my prowess in identifying the problems, but by my ability to find solutions.

Bernie is still talking about the 1% in 2024, meanwhile he's only exacerbated the problem by rolling over at every whim for the corrupt corporate elites that control the DNC.

We needed a problem solver Bernie, time to move on and let some other young Democrats with way more courage and conviction take the wheel.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Two people everyone should be listening to. They’re both national treasures that will be sorely missed when they’re gone

 

[Sinister]

Even though I might disagree with Bernie with some of his policies, he's goddamn right on reading the general attitude of the room.

Trump won largely because people realize the current system isn't working for them and Trump is all about smashing the establishment to pieces. A vote for Harris represented status quo.

Trump is about smashing the bit of the system to pieces which protects the working class from the wealthy. Not the part that gives the wealthy dominion over the working class. Just like every phony Libertarian who never dismantles the police/surveillance States, but rather employs them and consolidates power (the monopoly on violence) to protect they and their wealthy donors.

People were duped, their sentiment exploited.

 

[terrapin]

How do I cliff an hour long video? Lol.

For what it's worth, the video has timestamped sections so if you don't wanna listen to the whole thing you can pick and choose.

They discuss corporate greed, Democrats who want to support certain measures but don't for fear of big money primarying them and destroying their political careers (there's Democrats that have told Bernie that privately, including ones who wanted to support him on banning weapon shipments to Israel), government inefficiency and examples where the government has gotten shit done faster and how it can, shortening the length of campaigns and the effect that would have on decreasing corruption, the need to publicly fund campaigns, the divorce of labor and wages, universal healthcare, etc.

It's a great discussion and I think everyone can take something away from it regardless of what party you affiliate with and vote for.

Bernie Sanders is the way forward. We had a chance between him and barabas but we chose barabas instead and that's when things started to go really poorly in this country.

I really think that his rise and potential presidency was a turning point in American history and we chose the wrong direction. I don't believe we would have had Trump at all if Bernie would have won and I think his recipe for how to improve the country is the only serious way forward.

I would have laughed at the thought of Jon Stewart being a politician until I heard him speak outside of his comedy and he's incredibly intelligent and thinks things through quite deeply.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Two people everyone should be listening to. They’re both national treasures that will be sorely missed when they’re gone

Bernie was the one, damnit.

Pretty crazy that his perceived age was one of the things that worked against him 2016 (he did look and sounded much older than anyone in the race) but he's as spry and sharp as ever in 2024, when his second term would have been over.

The fact that he was beaten pretty decisively in the primary is a testament to how elections are only partly based on policy and partly (mostly, imo) on personal image, likability, charisma, group identity, etc.

If it was just about policy, he would have been elected dictator-for-life 30 years ago. Even conservatives find a lot to agree with him on. But he wasn't well-known, is kinda creepy and old-looking, doesn't crack jokes, so he got beaten out by Hillary. And yeah, Democrats all dropping out in unison and backing her obviously helped, but it wasn't the only factor.

 

[terrapin]

Bernie was the one, damnit.

Pretty crazy that his perceived age was one of the things that worked against him 2016 (he did look and sounded much older than anyone in the race) but he's as spry and sharp as ever in 2024, when his second term would have been over.

The fact that he was beaten pretty decisively in the primary is a testament to how elections are only partly based on policy and partly (mostly, imo) on personal image, likability, charisma, group identity, etc.

If it was just about policy, he would have been elected dictator-for-life 30 years ago. Even conservatives find a lot to agree with him on. But he wasn't well-known, is kinda creepy and old-looking, doesn't crack jokes, so he got beaten out by Hillary. And yeah, Democrats all dropping out in unison and backing her obviously helped, but it wasn't the only factor.

Well I think this misses the point because Bernie was covered negatively and dishonestly and slandered about endlessly by most Democrats in the media. It was shameful and despicable to watch and I think Bernie could have easily won without the lying and the slandering and the misinformation and the mockery and the hatred of the very people who just lost twice to Trump.

Fools are the reason Bernie lost.... not Bernie.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Bernie was the one, damnit.

Pretty crazy that his perceived age was one of the things that worked against him 2016 (he did look and sounded much older than anyone in the race) but he's as spry and sharp as ever in 2024, when his second term would have been over.

The fact that he was beaten pretty decisively in the primary is a testament to how elections are only partly based on policy and partly (mostly, imo) on personal image, likability, charisma, group identity, etc.

If it was just about policy, he would have been elected dictator-for-life 30 years ago. Even conservatives find a lot to agree with him on. But he wasn't well-known, is kinda creepy and old-looking, doesn't crack jokes, so he got beaten out by Hillary. And yeah, Democrats all dropping out in unison and backing her obviously helped, but it wasn't the only factor.

I know people won’t agree, but I completely believe that he lost in 2016 because the Democratic establishment wanted Hillary to win. There was a lot of Shenanigans that year.

Worse, I believe he would have beat Trump head to head because he does appeal to the people that feel disenfranchised by the establishment politicians. Hillary represented more of the same, with most of her policies focus seeming to be on culture war nonsense and not real problems facing the voter. I was angry (still am) at the party for picking Hillary and I didn’t vote in 2016 because of it.

I would like to think that this curb stomping the Dems just got would open their eyes and they would run someone like Bernie that is wanting to make real changes. I think what’s really going to happen is the Republicans are going to wreck shit so bad that the dems will get a free pass on the next election and end up just picking someone who toes the party line. I’ve been very pessimistic since 2016

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Well I think this misses the point because Bernie was covered negatively and dishonestly and slandered about endlessly by most Democrats in the media. It was shameful and despicable to watch and I think Bernie could have easily won without the lying and the slandering and the misinformation and the mockery and the hatred of the very people who just lost twice to Trump.

Fools are the reason Bernie lost.... not Bernie.

Got any examples of this? I mean, when you're competing against someone, you're not going to flatter them, you gotta make them look bad. But I don't remember Bernie getting anything particularly dishonest.

And in any case, truly popular candidates can withstand the arrows. Trump got absolutely (and correctly) pilloried by other Republicans both in 2016 and 2024 and he still beat the living shit out of them. Hillary was very rough on Obama in 2008 and she still lost to him.

 

[SKYNET]

I would have laughed at the thought of Jon Stewart being a politician until I heard him speak outside of his comedy and he's incredibly intelligent and thinks things do quite deeply

didn't Kyle Kuklinski recently name Jon Stewart as his choice for the DNC in 2028?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I know people won’t agree, but I completely believe that he lost in 2016 because the Democratic establishment wanted Hillary to win. There was a lot of Shenanigans that year.

Worse, I believe he would have beat Trump head to head because he does appeal to the people that feel disenfranchised by the establishment politicians. Hillary represented more of the same, with most of her policies focus seeming to be on culture war nonsense and not real problems facing the voter. I was angry (still am) at the party for picking Hillary and I didn’t vote in 2016 because of it.

I would like to think that this curb stomping the Dems just got would open their eyes and they would run someone like Bernie that is wanting to make real changes. I think what’s really going to happen is the Republicans are going to wreck shit so bad that the dems will get a free pass on the next election and end up just picking someone who toes the party line. I’ve been very pessimistic since 2016

What shenanigans do you think took place? The coordinated coalescing around Hillary is the only thing I can think of and even that isn't illegal or even immoral. They all backed Hillary but so what? Bernie was still on the ballot, it's not like they removed him somehow.

And the party didn't choose Hillary, the voters did. And in my opinion, Bernie's policies were sooooo much more popular than Hillary's, that the only explanation for his loss just has to be based on other things: likability, image, identity, association, etc. It wasn't a money issue, either, because Bernie had plenty.

 

[terrapin]

Got any examples of this? I mean, when you're competing against someone, you're not going to flatter them, you gotta make them look bad. But I don't remember Bernie getting anything particularly dishonest.

And in any case, truly popular candidates can withstand the arrows. Trump got absolutely (and correctly) pilloried by other Republicans both in 2016 and 2024 and he still beat the living shit out of them. Hillary was very rough on Obama in 2008 and she still lost to him.

I can get three examples but there are hundreds if you were following Bernie closely and then listening to MSM talk about it..... It was endless.

Jake Tapper would run Bernie down about his universal healthcare costing too much money and he would keep saying how much it was going to cost something like 32 billion (don't quote on that) But he would leave it there and not tell the American people that were already spending 36 billion and so his plan would actually save money.... That is a despicable lie and intentional manipulation.

Bernie debated Hillary Clinton and nobody thought Hillary won in a landslide and lots of people that Bernie won, but NPR ran stories like Hillary Clinton and Bernie debate. Was it a landslide victory for Hillary?

Then there was the lie that Bernie is unrealistic and could never get any of it done when he stated repeatedly and consistently that you start asking for the whole life and you settle for half the loaf.

They also never covered his intent to do what Trump does except without lying and just directly call people out and inform the American people of every dastardly nefarious thing being done behind the scenes to work against the American people.


He spoke often about using the bully pulpit to change the way Americans think about politics completely in a way that has never been used before to make sure the public was actually informed about what was going on and how it was being lied to about policy by the gov and MSM.

Trump is doing the same thing but it's lies and propaganda and even when he calls out genuine lies he does it for selfish reasons. But Bernie was going to be the same kind of needle mover but for the American people.


And then there was the general derision and contempt towards Bernie that was spoken of by most mainstream Democrats all through the process, both politicians and media personalities. That's when I realized that no media person could possibly be my friend. They're all super wealthy and they were trying to protect their wealth and you could see it on their face as constantly.

We missed our window. We had a chance for a true populist and a true revolutionary transformer and a fake lying con man and we got the con man.

 

[terrapin]

didn't Kyle Kuklinski recently name Jon Stewart as his choice for the DNC in 2028?

Yes, because policy wise he's basically completely aligned to Bernie, but Kyle thinks that Jon Stewart could compete with Trump as far as being an entertainer and funny and entertaining and interesting...


Generally, I think if we try to follow Trump in any way, we're following the wrong leader and moving towards hell. So I don't think I quite agree with Kyle but I have to admit when I've heard John speak seriously? He is a very serious person.

 

[terrapin]

I know people won’t agree, but I completely believe that he lost in 2016 because the Democratic establishment wanted Hillary to win. There was a lot of Shenanigans that year.

Worse, I believe he would have beat Trump head to head because he does appeal to the people that feel disenfranchised by the establishment politicians. Hillary represented more of the same, with most of her policies focus seeming to be on culture war nonsense and not real problems facing the voter. I was angry (still am) at the party for picking Hillary and I didn’t vote in 2016 because of it.

I would like to think that this curb stomping the Dems just got would open their eyes and they would run someone like Bernie that is wanting to make real changes. I think what’s really going to happen is the Republicans are going to wreck shit so bad that the dems will get a free pass on the next election and end up just picking someone who toes the party line. I’ve been very pessimistic since 2016

I do think this is what's going to happen and sadly it's just going to lead to more unrest in the future. There's a real problem in this country and neither side is serious about addressing any of it.

Bernie was.

 

[Sinister]

didn't Kyle Kuklinski recently name Jon Stewart as his choice for the DNC in 2028?

Because of the need to combat populism and vibes with populism and vibes. I dobt think Kyle considers Jon specifically politically qualified. He just knows Jon WILL use the bully pulpit