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By book and not letter being God inspired it is impossible to tell his true meaning. He couldn't have known that his letter would be included... or did he...
But he is talking specifically about the prophecy contained in the book he is writing

Not true... hard to even touch this. Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth... this verse means you should study.
If you are going to quote the Bible on me please link book, chapter and verse or quote the Vulgar Latin Bible directly and ill go look for a translation, this is getting tiresome.

Of course he is talking about scripture. The question you are asking is if Paul or disciples knew their words were inpired? Without knowing the catholic church as well as Protestants agree that he means all of scripture. What we believe if you are a Christian is that God had the letters in the Bible added as the final word..
By "all scripture" you mean the bible compiled by catholics around the 4th century? because not all Bibles are the same.

So then everything is meaningless. If you are atheist then cool. If you arent then you believe the writings of the new testament were meant for a purpose by God. Not even sure you claim Christianity which I get if that's your reference.
No, its not meaningless, just that you need to actually study to be able to interpret and use the Bible and not take a translated Bible at face value.

Overall...again... hermaneutics and exegesis brotha..
And yet you conveniently ignore those and quote me some english translation of the bible as if they meant anything.
 
Comparing microscopic evolution to blue whales. Understood.
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The size and/or complexity of the organism are irrelevant to the point.
 
But he is talking specifically about the prophecy contained in the book he is writing
The point is he knew he was writing God's word to man. Thats why he said this. It is applicable for the ther disciples as well. Again, if you don't want to believe the Bible then don't. You are one of many.
If you are going to quote the Bible on me please link book, chapter and verse or quote the Vulgar Latin Bible directly and ill go look for a translation, this is getting tiresome.
2Tim 2:15. Dude.. stop being lazy. Or have you not studied? I knew this one without looking it up.
By "all scripture" you mean the bible compiled by catholics around the 4th century? because not all Bibles are the same.
Sure...

No, its not meaningless, just that you need to actually study to be able to interpret and use the Bible and not take a translated Bible at face value.
There are obviously good and bad translations. But to pretend that it can only be read in Latin is silly. To make this argument you would have to say that you must use the original Greek and Hebrew. While there are certain nuances Within original language the overall message and cohesiveness does not change unless you get into some of the more ridiculous translations
And yet you conveniently ignore those and quote me some english translation of the bible as if they meant anything.
It doesn't look like you care what is true about any of it. You basically are saying you cannot believe it anyway. Of course one verse does not stand on its own which is why scripture interprets scripture so that you can have a full picture and why I mentioned those two particular forms of study. You sound like you are one of those that says they can pick and choose whatever they want from the Bible because ultimately none of it is accurate. So there's very little for us to actually discuss further.
 
I dismiss quantum physics. Leprechauns are more believable to me.
leprechauns are based on real, observable world concepts, while quantum physics tries to explain areas we have no organs to comprehend
 
2Tim 2:15. Dude.. stop being lazy. Or have you not studied? I knew this one without looking it up.

Of course you know these without looking it up, because justifying the sola scripture heresy is very important for protestants, not so much for Catholics.

Also maybe you don't know me, but English isn't my first language either and believe it or not God didn't spoke english and trust me as someone who speaks more than one language these translations are anything but perfect

The point is he knew he was writing God's word to man. Thats why he said this. It is applicable for the ther disciples as well. Again, if you don't want to believe the Bible then don't. You are one of many.
Do translators were also "god inspired"

Yes prophecies are generally understood to be directly being given by God, but the exception confirms the rule, if they need to be specific that prophecies are the word of god directly spoken, then it means that other scriptures are instead god inspired.

And most important of all, Do you personally believe that translators are being directed by God? there is a reason why Catholic priests need to at least be able to read Latin even if not conversational, because they need to understand the catholic bible.
 
leprechauns are based on real, observable world concepts, while quantum physics tries to explain areas we have no organs to comprehend
So is quantum physics.

There are lots of modern day technologies that would not exist if not for a more or less complete understanding of the laws of quantum physics. Its effects can be observed experimentally in lots of ways.

Check this out.
 
Of course you know these without looking it up, because justifying the sola scripture heresy is very important for protestants, not so much for Catholics.
Yes... reading and study are unimportant...
Also maybe you don't know me, but English isn't my first language either and believe it or not God didn't spoke english and trust me as someone who speaks more than one language these translations are anything but perfect
You are Mexican from Mexico City. We have chatted in the past on my love of the food there and the wonderful weather.
Do translators were also "god inspired"
No and until the dead sea scrolls some weren't sure the people transcribing were accurate. But the scrolls backed up the more modern versions. For the new testament there are still Greek transcriptions available.
Yes prophecies are generally understood to be directly being given by God, but the exception confirms the rule, if they need to be specific that prophecies are the word of god directly spoken, then it means that other scriptures are instead god inspired.
Im not sure the point here.
And most important of all, Do you personally believe that translators are being directed by God? there is a reason why Catholic priests need to at least be able to read Latin even if not conversational, because they need to understand the catholic bible.
Up until the printing press the Bible was transcribed many many times. Even the Latin is not the original language. So to be 100% you would have to get the original letters that are no longer in existence for this. I believe that the Bible is an all or nothing proposition. There has to be some faith applied that the transcribers did not alter it over the centuries and God kept his words in tact. Then the translators from the Greek to Latin. And then from Latin to other languages. Some of the early Greek transcriptions are still around so that the translations can be verified. Though these are also transcriptions. Obv the dead sea scrolls were in mostly Hebrew but same process.
 
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There are obviously good and bad translations. But to pretend that it can only be read in Latin is silly. To make this argument you would have to say that you must use the original Greek and Hebrew. While there are certain nuances Within original language the overall message and cohesiveness does not change unless you get into some of the more ridiculous translations

The overall message does change, for instance in the Hebrew texts Mary was described as "almah" which means young woman and doesn't explicitly imply her being a virgin as the Hebrew word for virgin is "bethulah". The Septuagint incorrectly translated it to "parthenos" which meant virgin.

This was most likely intentional as Mary being a virgin was the fulfillment of Jewish messianic prophecies in Isaiah 7:14. That has a huge impact on the message of the New Testament.
 
The overall message does change, for instance in the Hebrew texts Mary was described as "almah" which means young woman and doesn't explicitly imply her being a virgin as the Hebrew word for virgin is "bethulah". The Septuagint incorrectly translated it to "parthenos" which meant virgin.

This was most likely intentional as Mary being a virgin was the fulfillment of Jewish messianic prophecies in Isaiah 7:14. That has a huge impact on the message of the New Testament.
Ok bud. Thanks.
 
Atheism like theism is a spectrum, just like in political ideologies, once you move further from the center, the more rigid and narrow your worldview becomes. Atheism (Strong/Explicit) can be considered a belief system if it states that only the natural can exist, if a person just espouses a lack of belief in the supernatural then they are considered Weak/Implicit Atheists.

As far as "more scientific", I'd have to say that Naturalists should be "more scientific" as science and the natural world are all that they believe in. As far as how we got here, there's 2 parts:

1) Life on earth - We have strong evidence for evolution from the earliest known life forms to the present, but we do not have a complete, unbroken chain of evidence all the way back to the first form of life on Earth.

If you're talking about Abiogenesis, then yes it's still in the hypothesis phase and there are several plausible pathways for abiogenesis (e.g., RNA world, metabolism-first, lipid world), but no consensus on which is correct or most likely. The abiogenesis event(s) are proposed to be billions of years ago, and we still are gathering more data, and even though it's extremely difficult it's still possible/probable that we eventually fill in the gaps.

2) How the universe began - with the CMB we can observe the oldest light that dates back a few hundred thousand years after the big bang event. Theoretically we can go back to just after the Planck time by examining the CMB and its dispersion patterns.

If you're talking about the moment of or "before" the big bang then we just don't have any data (and may never get any) and we can only theorize with mathematical models like String Theory and LQG.

So, yes there are things that we may never have any data for and truly understand, but I think that the processes that Naturalism uses are "more scientific" compared to Super-Naturalism (Theism).
Well if on one end of the spectrum you have a lunatic flying an airplane into a building in the name of their religion, and on the other end of the spectrum you have some moron ridiculing the concept and using terms like "magical sky daddy", I'm definitely somewhere near the center (agnostic), but I choose to lean towards believing in creator a and a purpose to life because I firmly believe it makes for a better society and community.

Funny enough, if we're all honest about it we are absolutely all agnostics because none of us have any way of knowing one way or another so to take too strong of a stance on it in either directions seems pretty silly to me.

As for naturalism, again I don't know how you draw the conclusion that it's in any way more scientific when it gets you no close to the truth than faith does... I mean I get that it sounds like the more scientific approach, but if it gets you the same answer of "we don't have a clue" then it got you no further than just blind faith.
 
So is quantum physics.

There are lots of modern day technologies that would not exist if not for a more or less complete understanding of the laws of quantum physics. Its effects can be observed experimentally in lots of ways.

Check this out.
You don't have to explain it to me, I know you can observe quantum phenomena. The thing is, to do so, you need to be smart and prepared, and you need to set up an experiment.
Good luck explaining what the spin of electron is to an average person.
 
Yes... reading and study are unimportant...
Being able to cite random bible verses from memory isn't.

In Catholicism its the four canonical gospels that matter and the wording is irrelevant its the message that these books carry that matter.

You are Mexican from Mexico City. We have chatted in the past on my love of the food there and the wonderful weather.
I have never in my life been to Mexico City though.

No and until the dead sea scrolls some weren't sure the people transcribing were accurate. But the scrolls backed up the more modern versions. For the new testament there are still Greek transcriptions available.
Sure, but all of modern Western Bibles come from the Vulgate Bible translated by Saint Jerome he also lived in the time the Bible was compiled in the first place so he at least knew the people who were "god inspired" to determine which books were canon or not.

Its the closest it gets for Western Christians to the original scriptures and priests have been learning vulgate Latin since forever so they know how the words were used back then too.

Im not sure the point here.
The point is the the verses weren't talking about Sola Scriptura.
 
Up until the printing press the Bible was transcribed many many times. Even the Latin is not the original language. So to be 100% you would have to get the original letters that are no longer in existence for this.
No, but you can get as close as it gets, the vulgate bible was written when the bible was compiled in the first place.

If you believe god gave early catholics the list of books to be included but didn't give these people the inspiration to properly write the meaning, then i don't know what to say.

I believe that the Bible is an all or nothing proposition. There has to be some faith applied that the transcribers did not alter it over the centuries and God kept his words in tact.
So is that a yes on translators being god inspired or not?

Then the translators from the Greek to Latin. And then from Latin to other languages. Some of the early Greek transcriptions are still around so that the translations can be verified. Though these are also transcriptions. Obv the dead sea scrolls were in mostly Hebrew but same process.
And just like Jews who decided to keep their dead language alive so they don't miss the message of their books over the centuries, so did Catholics with Latin.

Translations into common languages are inherently flawed, and sure you can argue meaning was lost between Greek and Latin, but then again these were the people that compiled it in the first place, if you believe god told them which books were canon, you could at least extend to god to have these canon books be compiled correctly.
 
No, but you can get as close as it gets, the vulgate bible was written when the bible was compiled in the first place.

If you believe god gave early catholics the list of books to be included but didn't give these people the inspiration to properly write the meaning, then i don't know what to say.
Nope... as close as you get is the Greek and Hebrew. Not Latin... read in the original if you want exact. Learn those languages.
So is that a yes on translators being god inspired or not?
No for both transcribers and translators including into Latin.
And just like Jews who decided to keep their dead language alive so they don't miss the message of their books over the centuries, so did Catholics with Latin.
Latin was not the original language of the text or the Apostles....or the old testament before it. Its fine to keep it alive. No issue there.
Translations into common languages are inherently flawed, and sure you can argue meaning was lost between Greek and Latin, but then again these were the people that compiled it in the first place, if you believe god told them which books were canon, you could at least extend to god to have these canon books be compiled correctly.
I can argue because its true.... there are people that learn Greek and Hebrew to better understand the original text. God has had his hand in all of it bud. But if you feel meaning is lost then I would encourage you to buy the Greek and Hebrew versions and study them... Solves everything. Otherwise to say that you can't trust the transcriptions nor the translations..... it all becomes meaningless. Again... Christianity doesn't seem your thing and this conversation has done nothing but encourage peeps away from it. Cheers anyway
 
Nope... as close as you get is the Greek and Hebrew. Not Latin... read in the original if you want exact. Learn those languages.

No for both transcribers and translators including into Latin.

Latin was not the original language of the text or the Apostles....or the old testament before it. Its fine to keep it alive. No issue there.

I can argue because its true.... there are people that learn Greek and Hebrew to better understand the original text. God has had his hand in all of it bud. But if you feel meaning is lost then I would encourage you to buy the Greek and Hebrew versions and study them... Solves everything. Otherwise to say that you can't trust the transcriptions nor the translations..... it all becomes meaningless. Again... Christianity doesn't seem your thing and this conversation has done nothing but encourage peeps away from it. Cheers anyway

It's always a small delight to point out the language that the New Testament was originally written in. Just the other day, someone seemed to be under the assumption and impression that it was Aramaic and Hebrew. But it's not so. Koine Greek, actually. All 27 books.
 
Great religious guy that Rogan:
"Joe Rogan's first and current wife is Jessica Ditzel. They married in 2009, according to Newsweek. Rogan has publicly expressed that he was initially hesitant about marriage, but they got married after Ditzel became pregnant. "

Maybe he, Elon and Ye can hook up again.

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