Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

[gspieler]

Just my thoughts:

We don't know the origin of the universe/matter/energy.
Big Bang Theory is not a creation hypothesis, and is not incompatible with theism(neither is evolution, for that matter).
In the absence of knowing, its up to the individual to form their own beliefs/opinions.
Trying to reconcile our spiritual side with our logical side isn't a necessity in life.
We should respect each other's opinions, as long as we are not trying to force our beliefs on others.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You're gonna die tomorrow and you know it, there is no way out of it... you have no family or loved ones, there is nothing to lose and no possible consequences for you to worry about... is it ok for you to commit theft, sexual assault, murder??

No because I'm still knowingly being a cunt while being alive

 

[Cajun]

In a sense, I suppose so. The legacy we leave behind transcends the material world and exists in the hearts and minds of people.

That only matters to some. One or 2 generations and that's forgotten.

 

[Koro_11]

No because I'm still knowingly being a cunt while being alive

But why does it matter?

And if it’s just not something you would do is it OK if someone else does it under those circumstances? If not explain to me why.

 

[Cajun]

Wait til he finds out all other nuts do grow on trees and that peanuts aren't nuts they're a legume

He's almost 60 , same as me , I remember being like Joe and being amazed learning this but it was bank when I was a kid ...

Funny.... im reaching the age where im forgetting basic crap. How many simple words I have to google now.

 

[Cajun]

No because I'm still knowingly being a cunt while being alive

So pretty much no change

 

[Hellowhosthat]

But why does it matter?

And if it’s just not something you would do is it OK if someone else does it under those circumstances? If not explain to me why.

Because people have a right to be alive and murdering them is taking away their right to be alive. You don't have to be religious to think that.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So pretty much no change

Absolutely none lol

 

[Koro_11]

Because people have a right to be alive and murdering them is taking away their right to be alive. You don't have to be religious to think that.

Why do people have this right, who gives you this right?

I’m guessing you don’t think a chimp has a right not to get killed by a rival chimp so why are people special?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Why do people have this right, who gives you this right?

I’m guessing you don’t think a chimp has a right not to get killed by a rival chimp so why are people special?

Because we're more evolved than they are and have more capacity for sentient thought and can understand big picture thinking.

 

[Rod1]

Nope... as close as you get is the Greek and Hebrew. Not Latin... read in the original if you want exact. Learn those languages.

Yes, but Latin is the closest to the guys that actually compiled the Bible, the ones that chose which were scriptures inspired by god and which weren-t

No for both transcribers and translators including into Latin.

What about the people who chose which scriptures were canon?

Latin was not the original language of the text or the Apostles....or the old testament before it. Its fine to keep it alive. No issue there.

No, but its the language of both St Augustine and St Damasus the ones that actually canonized the aforementioned books.

I can argue because its true.... there are people that learn Greek and Hebrew to better understand the original text. God has had his hand in all of it bud. But if you feel meaning is lost then I would encourage you to buy the Greek and Hebrew versions and study them... Solves everything. Otherwise to say that you can't trust the transcriptions nor the translations..... it all becomes meaningless.

Sure, you just need to then become fluent on ancient greek and ancient hebrew, no biggies.

Again... Christianity doesn't seem your thing and this conversation has done nothing but encourage peeps away from it. Cheers anyway

Yes, im sure that's what encourages people away, not the crazy batshit crazy stuff people associate with Christians thanks to the heretical beliefs of religious zealots like most Televangelists.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Because people have a right to be alive and murdering them is taking away their right to be alive. You don't have to be religious to think that.

there is no such right. we sort of agreed upon it, but it's not natural law.
and what's not natural law is negotiable. there's always people you wouldn't mind if they lost that "right".

 

[Rod1]

It's always a small delight to point out the language that the New Testament was originally written in. Just the other day, someone seemed to be under the assumption and impression that it was Aramaic and Hebrew. But it's not so. Koine Greek, actually. All 27 books.

Indeed, but its kind of weird to think the people that actually chose which books were canon were somehow god inspired to pick the right books, not not god inspired to ensure the books had the correct message in the first place.

 

[RoastBeast]

We can’t explain what comes before it because there are limits to scope of human observations. That doesn’t mean the event within our limits that has all this observable evidence is less likely to have occurred.

One does not need complete knowledge of every aspect of an event or what led to it to observe evidence that supports the event took place.

lol at “lazy” theory. What theory has been tested more?

Our understanding of physics and the universe is so limited that the big bang theory will wind up looking like flat earth theory from ancient history. It's the conclusion that our limited understanding of the universe can come to at this moment and it'll look goofy to people a thousand years in the future.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

there is no such right. we sort of agreed upon it, but it's not natural law.
and what's not natural law is negotiable. there's always people you wouldn't mind if they lost that "right".

I should have said I believe they have a right to be alive. Of course nobody has a natural right to anything.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

They get you nowhere on the creator vs no creator argument because you always end up with the question "ok, but what set that in motion", and "ok, but what created those forces".

Naturalism - We currently do have highly speculative advanced/complex mathematical models that do explain "How" everything happened, including what set everything in motion and what created those forces. But again, these models likely will never be empirically confirmed.

Deism - Basically the same as Naturalism, just saying a God did all the things that we'll never have an explanation for. Provides a "How" but not a "Why"

Theism - Provides a "Why" and a purpose, but not a "How". Introduces added complexity (supernatural, omniscient, omnipotent, all-good personal god that provides revelation, judgement, reward and punishment.)

It all depends an what each person needs to make sense of the world.

 

[Cajun]

Yes, but Latin is the closest to the guys that actually compiled the Bible, the ones that chose which were scriptures inspired by god and which weren-t
What about the people who chose which scriptures were canon?
No, but its the language of both St Augustine and St Damasus the ones that actually canonized the aforementioned books.
Sure, you just need to then become fluent on ancient greek and ancient hebrew, no biggies.
Yes, im sure that's what encourages people away, not the crazy batshit crazy stuff people associate with Christians thanks to the heretical beliefs of religious zealots like most Televangelists.

There is no point of continuing bud. You made your points and I've made mine. Look back over this thread. I haven't trashed catholics and actually pointed out good things. You are determined to offend and if Im not just trolling you then its pointless. Reality is that public disagreements make another argument for no cohesiveness. And yes... Greek and Hebrew are the most accurate and are studied when you want to study a particular passage... But there is a simplicity as well. Its why a person with down syndrome can still be a Christian. They will never reach the level of knowledge but can still follow God. That is the great thing about the Bible. Anyway, good chat and we can continue in PM if you feel that strongly. But think we are good. Cheers

 

[Koro_11]

Because we're more evolved than they are and have more capacity for sentient thought and can understand big picture thinking.

Again apples and oranges, you're talking to me about intelligence, utility and survival, and I'm asking you about purpose and morals.

If your human rights are simply given to you by a bunch of humans agreeing that this is how it should be, can they then be taken away if those humans change their minds and say your life is worthless and you have no rights?

Either you think there's a greater purpose that goes beyond what a bunch of humans happen to agree on at the moment, or there isn't.

There was a time where slavery was legal and widely accepted by humans, was it not still wrong?

Are there not morals that transcend what a group of humans happen to decide at any given point in history?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Again apples and oranges, you're talking to me about intelligence, utility and survival, and I'm asking you about purpose and morals.

If your human rights are simply given to you by a bunch of humans agreeing that this is how it should be, can they then be taken away if those humans change their minds and say your life is worthless and you have no rights?

Either you think there's a greater purpose that goes beyond what a bunch of humans happen to agree on at the moment, or there isn't.

There was a time where slavery was legal and widely accepted by humans, was it not still wrong?

Are there not morals that transcend what a group of humans happen to decide at any given point in history?

Sure slavery was wrong. But wouldn't our morals changing over time support it being something that evolved naturally over time rather than something that involves some higher purpose?

 

[Koro_11]

Sure slavery was wrong. But wouldn't our morals changing over time support it being something that evolved naturally over time rather than something that involves some higher purpose?

If we all decided tomorrow that slavery is ok again, is it still wrong?