Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[terrapin]

I wonder if Hunter wouldn't have been such a basket case if his Dad had ever really let him face the consequences of his actions.

Apparently, according to some of my fellow Democrats on here, no father on earth would have done differently than Biden....

 

[Cajun]

Apparently, according to some of my fellow Democrats on here, no father on earth would have done differently than Biden....

I don't think many would tbh. A possible 17 year sentence and Joe would be dead by the time it was over.... i get it. I truly do. He said forget legacy or optics. I think he hoped Kamala would have won and pardoned Hunter. When that didn't happen he couldn't take the chance with Trump. I think he held off on doing it because of the effect in the election and optics at the time. But now it's done and he is at an age that it doesn't matter enough to him and he'd rather have his son for a few more years.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

But now it's done and he is at an age that it doesn't matter enough to him and he'd rather have his son for a few more years.

Yeah, ol' Dementia Joe had a rare moment of clarity and pretty much figured that if he didn't pardon him, he's never seeing again.

There's just no way Biden lives more than 2-3 years and there's no way Hunter gets sentenced to less than that.

 

[Poon Goon]

Didn't see this posted over the last couple of pages. Sleepy Joe going out with a bang

 

[Ruprecht]

Apparently, according to some of my fellow Democrats on here, no father on earth would have done differently than Biden....

I'm not that surprised at his decision, but it seems likely it's a pattern of behaviour that might have exacerbated Hunter being useless.
Not exactly unheard of for kids of the rich and powerful.

 

[BFoe]

this is clearly not about formalism and you know it.

Point of it was the left is losing daily the moral high ground it used to bash the right on. right now it's no longer about "we would never do that", it's "well, our guys are not as bad as their guys". and that is a fall from grace it's hard to recover from.

Morality was just on the ballot and the American people weren’t interested.

Look, I do understand your point. And there are certainly still plenty of things that we/I wouldn’t do or support: harassing election workers, felony schemes to invalidate millions of lawful votes, discrimination of various sorts, re-classifying thousands of federal workers and firing them all—you get the idea.

The sad truth is that our philosophy of “when they go low, we go high” has resulted in nothing but us getting our asses kicked politically for the past 15 years or so.
The result? Our bills have been blocked or torpedoed, we got fucked out of a billion judicial appointees, had a SCOTUS pick stolen, women’s rights are gutted and they’re hurt and dying because they can’t get healthcare they need, LGBTQ people are being silenced and shamed, their resources stripped away or banned from bookshelves, and on and on.
All of this is happening because Republicans are willing to use extraordinary means to hurt these people, and we haven’t been willing to use extraordinary means to defend them.

I care about defending those people (as well as the middle class and poor in general) a whole lot more than I care about defending Hunter Biden. But I also understand Joe Biden using extraordinary means to protect his son the same way we need to use extraordinary means to protect other people.
Authoritarianism, cruelty, and vengeance is what America just voted for, whether they realize it or not. And adhering to norms and tradition isn’t going to help us in the face of that.

I don’t even know that I buy the idea that we’ll never recover. Republicans posit themselves as having moral high found all the time, and no one gives a shit when they do awful things. Americans care about he economy and not much else, and this election shows that the economy doesn’t even have to be bad for them to make radical choices, you just have to make them believe that it is.

 

[Cajun]

Yeah, ol' Dementia Joe had a rare moment of clarity and pretty much figured that if he didn't pardon him, he's never seeing again.

There's just no way Biden lives more than 2-3 years and there's no way Hunter gets sentenced to less than that.

Agreed. It does look bad and it does hurt the party but yeah with a few years left I just don't think he cares. And look. Even if Joe WAS connected to Hunter in that past stuff... in his state at this age? I think he will be left alone at this point.

 

[Andy Capp]

Agreed. It does look bad and it does hurt the party but yeah with a few years left I just don't think he cares. And look. Even if Joe WAS connected to Hunter in that past stuff... in his state at this age? I think he will be left alone at this point.

I still don't get why it hurts the party. What the fuck can the party do about his decision if they don't like it? If I worked for a large company and the CEO went out the front door of headquarters and unloaded a pistol into the first person he saw would that make the whole company look bad?

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Didn't see this posted over the last couple of pages. Sleepy Joe going out with a bang

Sad

 

[Cajun]

I still don't get why it hurts the party. What the fuck can the party do about his decision if they don't like it? If I worked for a large company and the CEO went out the front door of headquarters and unloaded a pistol into the first person he saw would that make the whole company look bad?

If you watched the media as well as party leadership, when he said he wouldn't pardon Hunter.... they were saying yes because we are the party of rule and law. We don't do what the other side does. It was everywhere. Also, if he lost he was always going to pardon Hunter imo but couldn't say that because the election was in question. He didn't want to sway voters.

 

[ShadowRun]

I doubt he will waste his time. Too much crap to cleanup and fix. He could release the findings from the investigation to the public. That would be a nice F’ you to this administration.

He said he would lock up Hillary and didn’t .. people are using any excuse to justify what ole Joe did ..

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I still don't get why it hurts the party. What the fuck can the party do about his decision if they don't like it? If I worked for a large company and the CEO went out the front door of headquarters and unloaded a pistol into the first person he saw would that make the whole company look bad?

You're right that the party can't do anything about it but it can definitely hurt the party's reputation. That's just how politics work.

Politicians, commentators, and even regular people are constantly throwing the failures of past administrations in the faces of current politicians in order to discredit them. Republicans are still getting slammed on foreign policy because of Bush Jr., for example.

Whenever a law and justice issue comes up, conservatives will absolutely bring out the "Yeah well, Biden pardoned his criminal son so..."

 

[Andy Capp]

You're right that the party can't do anything about it but it can definitely hurt the party's reputation. That's just how politics work.

Politicians, commentators, and even regular people are constantly throwing the failures of past administrations in the faces of current politicians in order to discredit them. Republicans are still getting slammed on foreign policy because of Bush Jr., for example.

Whenever a law and justice issue comes up, conservatives will absolutely bring out the "Yeah well, Biden pardoned his criminal son so..."

Failures of the administration are a far cry from a lame duck president taking a unilateral action for personal gain two months before he leaves office.

I think you should change your second sentence to "people are just stupid". If he pardoned a bunch of convicted criminals who were in his administration, that would be different, I think, is as much as it demonstrates a more systemic level of corruption rather than simply doing one selfish thing before getting booted out the door.

Edit: in other words I think that's a false equivalence.

 

[Bwagster]

He said he would lock up Hillary and didn’t .. people are using any excuse to justify what ole Joe did ..

I’m not making excuses. I was stating why I think he did it. I actually don’t care nor do I think Trump is going to do anything about it. There’s way more important things to worry about than Hunter’s legal issues.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Failures of the administration are a far cry from a lame duck president taking a unilateral action for personal gain two months before he leaves office.

I think you should change your second sentence to "people are just stupid". If he pardoned a bunch of convicted criminals who were in his administration, that would be different, I think, is as much as it demonstrates a more systemic level of corruption rather than simply doing one selfish thing before getting booted out the door.

Edit: in other words I think that's a false equivalence.

People are definitely stupid and they'll take any chance they have to distort, exaggerate, etc.

And while I hate bothsideism, this is one of the cases where both sides do it. Anything to shit on the other side.

 

[ShadowRun]

I’m not making excuses. I was stating why I think he did it. I actually don’t care nor do I think Trump is going to do anything about it. There’s way more important things to worry about than Hunter’s legal issues.

Agree 100%

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Never really followed the hunter biden stories, nor commented...but on doing research, that fuck up is absolutely going to reoffend again. Whether or not the DOJ blitzkriegs him is unknown; but here's hoping just for the laughs

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I don’t even know that I buy the idea that we’ll never recover. Republicans posit themselves as having moral high found all the time, and no one gives a shit when they do awful things. Americans care about he economy and not much else, and this election shows that the economy doesn’t even have to be bad for them to make radical choices, you just have to make them believe that it is.

Yes they care when they do awful things. Abortion is winning everywhere. They got so tired of Repub started wars they are not giving any shit to Trump for trying to pull the troops out of Germany.

 

[Sara]

I am doing that?

Are you making excuses as to why it’s ok that Biden blanket pardoned his son for crimes we don’t even know about with the excuse of his criminal druggie son is constantly made fun of and under attack and saying things like trump MIGHT do much worse pardoning his kids who as of now haven’t plead guilty or been charged with anything to be pardoned for?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Are you making excuses as to why it’s ok that Biden blanket pardoned his son for crimes we don’t even know about with the excuse of his criminal druggie son is constantly made fun of and under attack and saying things like trump MIGHT do much worse pardoning his kids who as of now haven’t plead guilty or been charged with anything to be pardoned for?

Hardly.