Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[UberHere]

Morality was just on the ballot and the American people weren’t interested.

Look, I do understand your point. And there are certainly still plenty of things that we/I wouldn’t do or support: harassing election workers, felony schemes to invalidate millions of lawful votes, discrimination of various sorts, re-classifying thousands of federal workers and firing them all—you get the idea.

The sad truth is that our philosophy of “when they go low, we go high” has resulted in nothing but us getting our asses kicked politically for the past 15 years or so.
The result? Our bills have been blocked or torpedoed, we got fucked out of a billion judicial appointees, had a SCOTUS pick stolen, women’s rights are gutted and they’re hurt and dying because they can’t get healthcare they need, LGBTQ people are being silenced and shamed, their resources stripped away or banned from bookshelves, and on and on.
All of this is happening because Republicans are willing to use extraordinary means to hurt these people, and we haven’t been willing to use extraordinary means to defend them.

I care about defending those people (as well as the middle class and poor in general) a whole lot more than I care about defending Hunter Biden. But I also understand Joe Biden using extraordinary means to protect his son the same way we need to use extraordinary means to protect other people.
Authoritarianism, cruelty, and vengeance is what America just voted for, whether they realize it or not. And adhering to norms and tradition isn’t going to help us in the face of that.

I don’t even know that I buy the idea that we’ll never recover. Republicans posit themselves as having moral high found all the time, and no one gives a shit when they do awful things. Americans care about he economy and not much else, and this election shows that the economy doesn’t even have to be bad for them to make radical choices, you just have to make them believe that it is.

Take your moral high horse and shove it up your ass loser.
The democrats are the moral majority now…. Gimme a fucking break

 

[SKYNET]

our philosophy of “when they go low, we go high”

 

[Andy Capp]

Are you making excuses as to why it’s ok that Biden blanket pardoned his son for crimes we don’t even know about with the excuse of his criminal druggie son is constantly made fun of and under attack and saying things like trump MIGHT do much worse pardoning his kids who as of now haven’t plead guilty or been charged with anything to be pardoned for?

Steve Bannon stole a million dollars from Trump supporters and received a pardon. Trump has already done much worse; that's just one example among many. What difference do you think this can possibly make in the long run? Since when does he need an excuse?

Who is saying what Biden did is OK? How about some examples?

What do you expect Democrats to do about other than say, "He should not have done that; it was the wrong thing to do"?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Never really followed the hunter biden stories, nor commented...but on doing research, that fuck up is absolutely going to reoffend again.

well if he does he could always just storm the capitol with a stop the steal flag and then trump will pardon him.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Steve Bannon stole a million dollars from Trump supporters and received a pardon. Trump has already done much worse; that's just one example among many. What difference do you think this can possibly make in the long run? Since when does he need an excuse?

the frenzy over the hunter biden pardon is a good reminder that the press knows how to make something a scandal and has decided that nothing trump does is truly deserving of that treatment. they are very selective about what they've been getting outraged about.

crazy how people hold a life long politician to a higher standard than the new millennium version of an early 1900's snake oil salesman.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

well if he does he could always just storm the capitol with a stop the steal flag and then trump will pardon him.

K

 

[idrankyourbeer]

He said he would lock up Hillary and didn’t .. people are using any excuse to justify what ole Joe did ..

he tried his best to lock her up but hit a roadblock after the doj investigated and concluded that they weren't confident enough in being able to secure a conviction if they were to prosecute her.

then after he got elected and his hopes and dreams of locking her up had died right in front of his eyes, he suddenly played it off like he 'changed his mind' and had a change of heart or whatever and he no longer wanted to lock her up, just showing it was all just nothing more than a politically motivated witch hunt to campaign off of, and all of a sudden, much like the border crisis, one of his key issues he was campaigning off of became a non-issue and got thrown aside never to be spoken of again after he got elected.

the repukes spent many years reminding us that nobody is above the law and telling us just how horrible of a crime it is to mishandle classified information and whoever engages in such despicable illegal behavior needs to rot in prison. fast forward a few years later and suddenly they weren't singing the same tune. what happened?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Ok when one of trumps married sons has footage of him licking an escorts feet, fathers a child that they refuse to acknowledge, and does whatever the fuck else Hunter has done, and is given a 10 year pardoned on Trumps way out of office, you can say say HaHa got you.

trump would pardon himself or any of his kids without a second thought and republicans would cheer because he has the right to do so. the thing is, he does controversial shit every other day, so it wouldn't stay in the news that long before the pivot is to the next dumb or controversial thing he's doing. biden isn't likely to do anything this controversial before his time is up so it can stay as a story as long as the media desires.

hunter biden smoked some crack and then bought a gun a little while later. there was no victim, and nobody ever even prosecutes these crimes. we're just going to use chud logic here and go off the same rhetoric the maga trash used during the fraudy orange rapists last few trials. it was a victimless crime, and i'm sure that if you ask an employee from whatever shop it was that sold hunter that gun, they would be happy to sell more guns to him again, or anybody else who can pass a background check. afterall, that's why they are in business. the guns ain't gonna buy themselves!

clearly this was nothing more than a politically motivated witch hunt, and another prime example of lawfare at its best. good on dementia joe for loving his child unconditionally and exercising his duties as president because we all know if the shoe was on the other foot and it was donny's kids facing federal charges, no matter what kind of shit they did he would pardon them within a blink of an eye and the rubes would be cheering it on.

if anything, the rubes should be applauding dementia joe for giving his son a blanket pardon for any and all crimes throughout a large window of time, because morality was on the 2024 election ballots and they all voted against it. as long as they can get some mean tweets out of it and piss off a couple libtards, they will be more than happy to spend the next few years paying so much more money for their goods and services.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Apparently, according to some of my fellow Democrats on here, no father on earth would have done differently than Biden....

Aren't you seeing that more from rightists? Most Dems have condemned it.

 

[BFoe]

I agree.
Although not in the way you meant it, probably.

 

[SKYNET]

I agree.
Although not in the way you meant it, probably.

but you understood was the key

 

[BFoe]

but you understood was the key

I understood how you feel about it, yes.

 

[SKYNET]

I understood how the majority (you) feels about it, yes.

FTFY

 

[cottagecheesefan]

politico is reporting that Biden may be issuing wide ranging, blanket pardons to people like Liz Cheney, Adam schiff, mark miley, etc.

Completely normal

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/12/04/biden-white-house-pardons-00192610

 

[UberHere]

politico is reporting that Biden may be issuing wide ranging, blanket pardons to people like Liz Cheney, Adam schiff, mark miley, etc.

Completely normal

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/12/04/biden-white-house-pardons-00192610

Since it applies to several posters ITT, imagine thinking the party that aligns with the Cheney’s is morally superior.

 

[BFoe]

10% to the big guy.

I’m pretty sure Hunter just misspoke and meant to say “Only tip 10% if you go to Bob’s Big Boy”—because it’s really more of a fast food place than a diner and tipping isn’t really expected, so no need for a full 20%. Plus their service was always kind of subpar if we’re being honest.

What could Trump do from a vengeance standpoint if Hunter did nothing wrong ?

Interesting thing to say, when Trump supporters speak of all manner of false flags, psy-ops, witch hunts, staged raids, weaponized FBI, weaponized DOJ, corrupt judges, DAs backed by big money lobbyists types… when it’s Trump that’s indicted for crimes.
Now we don’t think any of that actually happens?

If that doesn’t actually happen, then that would mean that Trump almost certainly did commit the felonies he was facing, and that the American people simply do not care about things like multi-state election interference schemes, or attempts to overturn elections through crime or violence, or purposely stealing boxes of classified docs and lying about it, and so on. That’s a pretty sad thought.

But to your question, if a POTUS has loyalists in the FBI or DOJ that will do whatever they ask them to, and loyalist judges to rubber stamp warrants and such, there’s quite a lot that can be done to harass and intimidate people, or run them financially dry with frivolous legal cases. There are actual, real cases (i.e., not Trump) in which law enforcement has abused powers to harass or detain people. And obviously, it happens in other countries too—don’t think it’s not possible here.

politico is reporting that Biden may be issuing wide ranging, blanket pardons to people like Liz Cheney, Adam schiff, mark miley, etc.

Completely normal

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/12/04/biden-white-house-pardons-00192610

You mean everybody that Trump has baselessly threatened with military tribunals or hinted at execution?
Good.
Not sure how much words on paper will protect anyone, but I like the sentiment.

 

[jimjamjammer]

You mean everybody that Trump has baselessly threatened with military tribunals or hinted at execution?

Why would they need pardons if they did nothing wrong? Can that even be done?

 

[Islam Imamate]

People literally said Baron (an actual child) should be put in cages with know criminals. But please keep white knighting poor bad choice making free pass getting 60 year old Hunter

Who said that?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Since it applies to several players ITT, imagine thinking the party that aligns with the Cheney’s is morally superior.

It is already confirmed and reported by many outlets considered mainstream that she and others deleted evidence about the 1/6 committee. To me, that is an immediate red flag and actually treason and illegal

Completely laughable that anyone defending them might revert to, “well someone might use their stuff against them!”

No, you preserve your document to vindicate yourself and show you are not guilty. Deleting your records proves the exact opposite, lol, thank you very much

 

[BFoe]

Why would they need pardons if they did nothing wrong? Can that even be done?

“Can it even be done” is a good question. Another thing that gets debated a lot is, is a person admitting some sort of guilt by accepting a pardon? Like, it’s not an official admittance of guilt, but since a pardon is forgiveness for a crime/offense, it does carry the implication that the person that has accepted a pardon committed some sort of offense against the US.

Sweeping pardons that include a crime but go beyond it, like Biden’s pardon of Hunter have been done before, but this is different. I am kind of doubtful that it can be done but I imagine our friends at the SCOTUS could be involved at some point.

I think maybe it would depend on how the pardons are worded maybe. The Constitution doesn’t say there has to be a charged crime, but there does have to be an “offense against the United States,” in order to pardon it. I wonder what offenses Biden would list?

I’ll add this whole thing to the list of Constitutional crises that Trump has created over the past 8 years, of which there have been several.

EDIT: I forgot to answer your question as to why Biden would do this. Because Trump has threatened these people without any basis and now has the power and the immunity to make good on those threats. Biden I think would be trying to protect them through whatever means he feels he can.