Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[Scerpi]

@Jack V Savage


being that you have dismissed previous explanations as to why the pardon has been backdated, would you care to weigh in with your opinion on why the pardon has been backdated?

We know why

 

[BFoe]

We know why

Because Trump and his supporters won’t ever stop with conspiracy nonsense, to the point that he’s willing to withhold aid and strong-arm other countries’ presidents for political favors because of those CTs, or baselessly harass and prosecute people over those CTs. That’s why.

I know, I know, it’s still real to you, dammit…

 

[Sara]

Who said that?

I think Rob Reiner did first, but posters here did, there were threads about it. They said something worse than just criminals for him to be thrown in with.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Who said that?

Probably "the left." According to the same people who think it's unfair to judge Republicans by what Trump does.

 

[Cajun]

Because Trump and his supporters won’t ever stop with conspiracy nonsense, to the point that he’s willing to withhold aid and strong-arm other countries’ presidents for political favors because of those CTs, or baselessly harass and prosecute people over those CTs. That’s why.

I know, I know, it’s still real to you, dammit…

But if no crimes then no need to back date 11 years....Likely he had more in his closet not captured in current. Could be he just didnt want to take the chance that Hunter didnt tell him everything. But you dont issue blanket pardons 11 years for conspiracy imo...

 

[jimjamjammer]

“Can it even be done” is a good question. Another thing that gets debated a lot is, is a person admitting some sort of guilt by accepting a pardon? Like, it’s not an official admittance of guilt, but since a pardon is forgiveness for a crime/offense, it does carry the implication that the person that has accepted a pardon committed some sort of offense against the US.

Sweeping pardons that include a crime but go beyond it, like Biden’s pardon of Hunter have been done before, but this is different. I am kind of doubtful that it can be done but I imagine our friends at the SCOTUS could be involved at some point.

I think maybe it would depend on how the pardons are worded maybe. The Constitution doesn’t say there has to be a charged crime, but there does have to be an “offense against the United States,” in order to pardon it. I wonder what offenses Biden would list?

I’ll add this whole thing to the list of Constitutional crises that Trump has created over the past 8 years, of which there have been several.

EDIT: I forgot to answer your question as to why Biden would do this. Because Trump has threatened these people without any basis and now has the power and the immunity to make good on those threats. Biden I think would be trying to protect them through whatever means he feels he can.

Well if what you say is true, then it essentially would be an admission of guilt. Which I would think gives Trumps threats some credence?

I also wouldn't say Trump created this crisis. The people named made it their mission to destroy Trump by whatever ever means necessary for the last 8years. Whether that includes breaking the law remains to be seen. Although this seems to implicate they did to some degree.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of it.

Also, if these pardons are allowed it would create a terrible precedent.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think Rob Reiner did first, but posters here did, there were threads about it. They said something worse than just criminals for him to be thrown in with.

Can you produce these quotes? I Googled "Rob Reiner 'baron' Trump" and found nothing after skimming the results but I might've missed it.

As for posters here, do you remember any? Can you cite any of these posts using the search function?

Probably "the left." According to the same people who think it's unfair to judge Republicans by what Trump does.

I'm skeptical but its only fair to give her a chance to substantiate her claims, lots of crazy things are said here and beyond so could be true.

 

[Sara]

Can you produce these quotes? I Googled "Rob Reiner 'baron' Trump" and found nothing after skimming the results but I might've missed it.

As for posters here, do you remember any? Can you cite any of these posts using the search function?

I'm skeptical but its only fair to give her a chance to substantiate her claims, lots of crazy things are said here and beyond so could be true.

Sorry I mixed up Rob Reiner with Peter Fonda, and I did say I think Rob Reiner

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/peter-fonda-baron-trump-secret-service/index.html

 

[Sara]

It’s cute you think I use the search function

And no I don’t remember specific posts from 8ish years ago


But they were joking and agreeing with what was said about an 11 year old. Just keep defending junkie pardoned for unknown crimes in a ten year window Hunter.

It’s a great look

 

[Islam Imamate]

Sorry I mixed up Rob Reiner with Peter Fonda, and I did say I think Rob Reiner

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/peter-fonda-baron-trump-secret-service/index.html

Oh I see, he did apologize for it at least. Don't think its fair to paint him as representative, you were making it seem like it was a bunch of people but instead it was one guy who apologized for it afterwards.

It’s cute you think I use the search function

And no I don’t remember specific posts from 8ish years ago


But they were joking and agreeing with what was said about an 11 year old. Just keep defending junkie pardoned for unknown crimes in a ten year window Hunter.

It’s a great look

I looked up "baron cage" and 3/7 posts that came up were yours referencing the incident as a deflection the way you did ITT and 3/7 were other posters responding to your posts in those threads. Now you're getting defensive that I even asked, probably because you know you can't substantiate your claim.

Btw nowhere here did I defend Hunter Biden's character and in fact I criticized Joe Biden for pardoning Hunter. I do think his prosecution was politically motivated but Hunter is clearly prone to reckless criminality and was likely shielded from accountability in the past by his father so this is absolutely not the hill I want to die on. Joe should've sacrificed his son for the Republic and let him take the fall for his own actions. He did not and history will remember that.

It is telling though that my asking you to substantiate your claim made you reflexively assume I was defending Hunter.

 

[Sara]

Oh I see, he did apologize for it at least. Don't think its fair to paint him as representative, you were making it seem like it was a bunch of people but instead it was one guy who apologized for it afterwards.

I looked up "baron cage" and 3/7 posts that came up were yours referencing the incident as a deflection the way you did ITT and 3/7 were other posters responding to your posts in those threads. Now you're getting defensive that I even asked, probably because you know you can't substantiate your claim.

Btw nowhere here did I defend Hunter Biden's character and in fact I criticized Joe Biden for pardoning Hunter. I do think his prosecution was politically motivated but Hunter is clearly prone to reckless criminality and was likely shielded from accountability in the past by his father so this is absolutely not the hill I want to die on. Joe should've sacrificed his son for the Republic and let him take the fall for his own actions. He did not and history will remember that.

It is telling though that my asking you to substantiate your claim made you reflexively assume I was defending Hunter.

you are joking right? This entire thread is oh it’s okay Biden lied ans said he respected the law too much to pardon his son, but then did cause poor hunter was being railroaded! Oh Trump and co make fun and say mean things about Hunter all the time!


and he’s not the only one that’s made fun of that child, he’s just the only one I know of that wished bodily harm to him. Again saying these things about a CHILD not a grown ass man.

Oh and apparently now that Hunter is pardoned he can no longer take the fifth so if Joe is guilty of crimes and DoJ is as vindictive as you all think it’s going to be, he can be hauled in for questioning then held in contempt for not answering, I’m not a lawyer though so I could be confusing what I heard on a YouTube short.

 

[Islam Imamate]

you are joking right? This entire thread is oh it’s okay Biden lied ans said he respected the law too much to pardon his son, but then did cause poor hunter was being railroaded! Oh Trump and co make fun and say mean things about Hunter all the time!


and he’s not the only one that’s made fun of that child, he’s just the only one I know of that wished bodily harm to him. Again saying these things about a CHILD not a grown ass man.

Oh and apparently now that Hunter is pardoned he can no longer take the fifth so if Joe is guilty of crimes and DoJ is as vindictive as you all think it’s going to be, he can be hauled in for questioning then held in contempt for not answering, I’m not a lawyer though so I could be confusing what I heard on a YouTube short.

You mentioned that a bunch of posters here were saying foul things about Baron and not only couldn't name a single one but got defensive about it and then accused me of defending Hunter Biden when I did nothing of the sort.

 

[Sara]

You mentioned that a bunch of posters here were saying foul things about Baron and not only couldn't name a single one but got defensive about it and then accused me of defending Hunter Biden when I did nothing of the sort.

You unrealistically want me to go back 8ish years

I don’t keep creepy files on posters in case I get to use it against them later, it could have been in the general chat thread or a kids in cages thread or even a thread about Peter fondas tweet.


Not that it matters y’all will brush it off with a duh he apologized for wishing that on a child.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Probably "the left." According to the same people who think it's unfair to judge Republicans by what Trump does.

Hey, glad you’re here.

Do you have any opinion on why it’s backdated to 2014?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

are they worth adding to the spank bank?

asking for a friend.

Tell your friend to read Marcus Aurelius and control himself.

 

[blaseblase]

The era of Dems pretending they have the moral high ground has been dragged out of its grave and it's corpse stomped on. I do believe they did at some point in my lifetime but that was many years ago. How about this asshat pardon Assange or Snowden? You know, something that might actually help the Democratics in the next election.

 

[sanguinius]

you are joking right? This entire thread is oh it’s okay Biden lied ans said he respected the law too much to pardon his son, but then did cause poor hunter was being railroaded! Oh Trump and co make fun and say mean things about Hunter all the time!


and he’s not the only one that’s made fun of that child, he’s just the only one I know of that wished bodily harm to him. Again saying these things about a CHILD not a grown ass man.

Oh and apparently now that Hunter is pardoned he can no longer take the fifth so if Joe is guilty of crimes and DoJ is as vindictive as you all think it’s going to be, he can be hauled in for questioning then held in contempt for not answering, I’m not a lawyer though so I could be confusing what I heard on a YouTube short.

He's a pathetic hack. It is a shame that he somehow worked his way to be a bluename so that we can't ignore his nonsense. He is a delusional propaganda pusher.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

You unrealistically want me to go back 8ish years

people were talking shit about barron trump when he was 10 years old?

this i gotta see.

 

[BFoe]

Well if what you say is true, then it essentially would be an admission of guilt. Which I would think gives Trumps threats some credence?

I also wouldn't say Trump created this crisis. The people named made it their mission to destroy Trump by whatever ever means necessary for the last 8years. Whether that includes breaking the law remains to be seen. Although this seems to implicate they did to some degree.

It will be interesting to see if anything comes of it.

Also, if these pardons are allowed it would create a terrible precedent.

I definitely don’t agree with your first point, but I agree that’s exactly what Trump and his supporters will say. There’s no evidence of any kind that Miley, Schiff, or Cheney have done anything other than oppose/disagree with Trump. But if someone tries to protect them, Trump will certainly say “why are they being protected if they did nothing wrong?”—when the answer is obviously because he’s threatening them lol. But his supporters will buy it, I’m sure.

This is 100% Trump’s fault. When a person runs a campaign on vengeance and retribution, teases military tribunals and death for Democrats, this is the result. According to Trump, we are a far bigger enemy than any external threat.
When someone says shit like that, it’s best to assume they mean it.

I agree with you that pardons like these are a bad precedent.
Not as bad a precedent as threatening opponents with death and tribunals, but bad nonetheless.
As far as Trump’s legal problems, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming in the fake elector, classics docs, and J6 cases. If you can ignore all of that and still buy the “they wife just out to get Trump” narrative, there’s probably not much I can say to convince you.

 

[UberHere]

The era of Dems pretending they have the moral high ground has been dragged out of its grave and it's corpse stomped on. I do believe they did at some point in my lifetime but that was many years ago. How about this asshat pardon Assange or Snowden? You know, something that might actually help the Democratics in the next election.

They lost the moral high ground once GWB was replaced by Obama.