Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

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Here's where you're mistaken. Reasoning leads away from compromise. Bad reasoning and good reasoning generally diverge a lot. Reasoning merely for the purpose of compromise is also generally unsound reasoning. There is no middle ground between batshit conspiracy theories and sound reasoning, either. This is some weak "both sides" stuff dressed up in a moral nightgown, which is one of the more repulsive uses of the human mind.

America is under a lot of stress these days due to bad reasoning, conspiracy thinking, and fantasizing. There is no compromising with them on reason.

Lol yep. America is under stress because people on the internet have the audacity to try thinking <Lmaoo>

 

[KnightTemplar]

I mostly just lurk in this forum and I think this is the longest running thread I’ve actually read every post in. I’m always reluctant to comment because two thirds of the interactions are essentially “no fuck you and your opinion that you actually never act on!!”

It’s a pretty “no faith in humanity” kind of feeling afterwards.

This blind partisanship and willing embrace of lack of information, or mis information has to stop. It threatens all of us equally. It’s not you Vs. me, or them Vs. us.

It’s about civil discourse and compromise based on reasoning.

I’m very disappointed in this community for embracing hateful vitriol on BOTH sides and I applaud the posters that refuse to engage in maliciously divisive arguments.

What is this, faith in humanity you speak off?

 

[Dan O]

What is this, faith in humanity you speak off?

Long time no talk KT. How are the shoulders?

 

[Rockapotomuss]

Wapo reporting broken bone in his neck. Seen a lot of chokes in UFC and don’t remember any broken necks. This is shit is getting real.

 

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Wait so they have released his body to an unnamed person but dont have the official cause of death yet? Is that normal?

 

[Lubaolong]

Fair enough, but that then raises questions as to why a man who a week earlier was deemed suicidal is then released from psych with little/no oversight? This is all so confusing... he was suicidal (per who, I'm not sure?) but then not suicidal (by who, I'm not sure) but then completes suicide (after being deemed not suicidal).

So how do you determine if someone is truly suicidal? If they are intent on completing suicide, they're going to put on their best act to regain their freedom to complete the act. There's no full-proof way to tell, but you rely on what you have, observation, and collateral information. In this dude's case, he's in a super understaffed jail with a bunch of lazy and likely incompetent workers. Having someone on "suicide watch" takes more resources. There's pressure to get these patients off watch to free up staff so they can go back to sleep or doing whatever they're doing. Whichever nurse practitioner or whoever was seeing him probably asked him for a week if he was suicidal, he kept saying no, so then they took him off. I think this was definitely not the smartest thing to do. Nothing had changed for him. He wasn't getting intensive mental health care. No reason to think his condition improved. In fact, things were getting much worse for him. More and more info was leaking out to the media. This guy was super high riskSo I think taking him off suicide watch was obviously a bad mistake. But there are so many bad heathcare providers out there, especially in shitty places like jails, that it's not at all surprising.

 

[The ScorpioN]

America is under a lot of stress these days due to bad reasoning, conspiracy thinking, and fantasizing. There is no compromising with them on reason.

This. I for one can't wait until FBI has the power to classify conspiracy theories as threats to national security and starts arresting CTers. If they already had this power, I bet phile islands wouldn't be putting stress on America and Epstein would still be alive. But alas.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Wapo reporting broken bone in his neck. Seen a lot of chokes in UFC and don’t remember any broken necks. This is shit is getting real.

"you have been useful to us, until now..."

 

[Crocop42]

I'm saying that it is not "easy" to kill yourself, as 32 out of 33 attempts are unsuccessful. I'm not sure what the rate of successful suicide is in prison, I'm honestly assuming it is less than in the community where means and opportunity are more plentiful.

Exactly, you don't know anything about suicide in prison/jail. I've held tourniquets on an inmates wrists who sliced them open with a broken food tray, I've cut a dead body down from hanging with a bed sheet, and overdoses. All people with "nothing" the outside world has. When there's a will there's a way.
How many of those statistical failures, were people who didnt actually want to follow through with it? I'll wait for the data.

 

[hillelslovak87]

That clip reminds me of someone like Gary Webb. The guy was an investigative journalist who exposed the cocaine trade, committed suicide by shooting himself in the head...twice.

Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10, 2004, with two gunshot wounds to the head. His death was ruled a suicide by the Sacramento County coroner's office.[67] After a local paper reported that he had died from multiple gunshots, the coroner's office received so many calls asking about Webb's death that Sacramento County Coroner Robert Lyons issued a statement confirming Webb had committed suicide.[68] When asked by local reporters about the possibility of two gunshots being a suicide, Lyons replied: "It's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots, but it has been done in the past, and it is in fact a distinct possibility."

 

[Fawlty]

I respectfully disagree.

I strongly believe that once you abandon all hope of talking openly, and with civility, about your disagreements, with your perceived “opponents” that a society is failing. I believe that the objective of discourse should be the sharing of factual information and not slanderous/libelous/speculative arguments. Granted, “debate”, means entering into a conversation with a bias or platform but entering into it with absolutes sort of defeats the purpose.

“Right” is dictated by popular opinion from my observation and morality throughout history seems to be a very flexible concept. Few conversations that start from a place of anger and defense ever end well.

Please don’t take this as a personal affront. I’m just arguing for civil, fact-based discourse.

Untangle civility from "fact-based discourse" and you might find your way back to the path of rationality, and off the path of charlatans. I don't object to the idea of people wanting people to be nice, but I object absolutely to compromising reason for the sake of civility. That's madness.

 

[Fawlty]

This. I for one can't wait until FBI has the power to classify conspiracy theories as threats to national security and starts arresting CTers. If they already had this power, I bet phile islands wouldn't be putting stress on America and Epstein would still be alive. But alas.

You have zero comprehension of my post.

 

[therealdope]

Does anyone know why this idiot was even still in the country to allow himself to be arrested? You would think a billionaire like this would be able to buy political asylum somewhere (many cases of rich people doing this) and not have to worry about being arrested. I guess this big ego'd scumbag literally thought he was untouchable. If I had that much money and there were was any chance of me going to jail in my home country I wouldn't be hanging around

Because he'd obviously gotten away with it in the past. I assume he had some sort of protection. When they grabbed him off his private jet he had a fraudulent passport.

 

[PHATV]

Autopsy finds broken bones in Epstein's neck...

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Autopsy finds broken bones in Epstein's neck...

 

[KnightTemplar]

Long time no talk KT. How are the shoulders?

Getting better, mate. Thanks for asking.

 

[pinger]

Prince Charles would eat a bloody tampon.

I put nothing past that man.

He fucks Camilla, so yeah....all bets are off

 

[MusterX]

Not really. All you have to suspect is that a suicidal person committed suicide, and an understaffed, underfunded prison was negligent. That's easily the best bet here.

Whether Epstein committed suicide or was the victim of homicide is almost a distraction, its not even the issue at hand.

 

[Confucamus]

The Hyoid bone is one of the bones found broken in Epstein's neck. It can be broken by people who hang themselves, but it is much more prevalent in people who are strangled. It's more common to break for people over 40 but really depends where on the neck the strangulation occurs. When you hang yourself, the rope is typically over the Adam's Apple, less likely to break the hyoid bone. However, when you get strangled, either by a rope or manually, the hyoid bone is more likely to break.

Now, to the posters who've been obsessively trying to shut down anybody who finds Epstein's death suspicious, no this doesn't 100% mean he was killed by someone. But it's another factor that adds to the suspiciousness of his death and it's worth discussing.

 

[KeepItRealist]

Media's attempt to downplay this story says it all for me. We know they coordinate with Democrats to push narratives. So they are taking orders to keep this off the front page.