Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Hollywood Jack]

Please show up there with a sherdognews microphone and ask questions. Please

I'm seeing reports from locals on Twitter that there are a lot of helicopters flying around the house as well as "townies" congregating close to the residence.

 

[trident]

I'm seeing reports from locals on Twitter that there are a lot of helicopters flying around the house as well as "townies" congregating close to the residence.

One of those copters is prob her ride... lol... jking

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Does anyone know why this idiot was even still in the country to allow himself to be arrested? You would think a billionaire like this would be able to buy political asylum somewhere (many cases of rich people doing this) and not have to worry about being arrested. I guess this big ego'd scumbag literally thought he was untouchable. If I had that much money and there were was any chance of me going to jail in my home country I wouldn't be hanging around

He was actually arrested at Teterboro Airport after arriving from an overseas flight on his private plane. Apparently no tip offs this time. If he had been tipped off, he would have just stayed somewhere without an extradition treaty.

 

[ocean size]

I think you missed his point. He was saying most suicide attempts are failed out in the free community, which shows just how hard it is to do in jail. If you fail when you have resources available how much harder would it be to do so somewhere made to prevent you from killing yourself? His point was pertinent

his same link says most suicide attempters aren't really determined. 2/3 aren't really determined and only 5% were completely committed to getting it done. And most of the people that fail tried to poison themselves which isn't a very high success rate way to go. You can't compare a guy who's looking at life in prison at best for heinous shit to broader statistics including teenagers basically crying for help. If all of those attempts had to hang themself or tie a plastic bag on their head or whatever the success rate would be much higher. If you do want to compare him to the public you need to compare him to his age bracket, he was 66 and elderly attempts succeed almost.ten times more often than that average number.

Factor in what was either a suicide attempt or a near miss.attack on his life earlier, either way shows he really either wanted to do it or new if he didn't he could easily be fucked up badly if 'they' wanted.

Really guys, if you were of sound mind and wanted to kill yourself in 30 minutes with bedsheets, you could do it. Unless you really suck at knots.

 

[PhitePhan]

Yeah because only 5% of people really want to do the job. The success rate is 4:1 in the elderly. A lot of the misses are medication ODs which are only successful 1/42 attempts on average when the overall rate is 1/25 which tells you the gunshot and suffocation methods are much more successful, they make up a much larger proportion of successes. Regardless if he wanted to kill himself in 30 min with bedsheets, he could have. If you really wanted to, you don't think you could pull it off?

Where are you getting the 5% figure?

Never mind, I see you are referencing one study that shows the lowest rate (and apparently ignoring those with "high" intent (25%) of the study population.

 

[PhitePhan]

Are you saying he wasnt found semi consciousness with marks on his neck or that he was attacked? All of us are talking possibilities and Waris parsimonious given the media reported facts. Let's put it this was- if he was clearly attacked and clearly didn't try to do it to himself, why would he be put on suicide watch? I'd say the most plausible explaination is that the facility found it at least somewhat likely that he tried to kill himself. My explaination for how someone manages to kill themself despite half hourly checks doesn't really require it to be the case though.

I'm saying I keep hearing that he tried to kill himself which is then parlayed directly into supposed support for him actually killing himself.... in asking if we have any proof he tried to kill himself?

 

[ocean size]

I'm saying I keep hearing that he tried to kill himself which is then parlayed directly into supposed support for him actually killing himself.... in asking if we have any proof he tried to kill himself?

Only that it was unclear enough that it wasn't an attack to land him on suicide watch. Not really needed to make his actual suicide plausible though, but the reasonable probability of it occuring is only support.

Since little is known with certainty, all of us speculating are just adding together estimated probabilities of things occuring like it's the Drake equation. I think given the marks on his neck and the fact he ended up on suicide watch suggests there's a good chance he tried.

 

[PhitePhan]

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Only that it was unclear enough that it wasn't an attack to land him on suicide watch. Not really needed to make his actual suicide plausible.

All of us speculating are just adding together estimated probabilities of things occuring like it's the Drake equation. I think given the marks on his neck and the fact he ended up on suicide watch suggests there's a good chance he tried.

Fair enough, but that then raises questions as to why a man who a week earlier was deemed suicidal is then released from psych with little/no oversight? This is all so confusing... he was suicidal (per who, I'm not sure?) but then not suicidal (by who, I'm not sure) but then completes suicide (after being deemed not suicidal).

 

[ocean size]

Fair enough, but that then raises questions as to why a man who a week earlier was deemed suicidal is then released from psych with little/no oversight?

I think it's plausible he passed all his psych evals after a while since he probably was of sound mind. And if there was uncertainty about how he ended up with the neck marks, and on top of that the guys probably a master manipulator given his life, and he's not mentally ill, dunno if we even need to factor in any potential pressure from his legal team (sucide watch sucks, finger food, limited toilet paper, someone staring into the cell or 15 min checks)

I'm not going to be shocked if it turns out decisions were made to allow him to do it or if it was even shadier than that. But it is plausible enough, the boring explaination- incompetence.

 

[all caps]

I'm seeing reports from locals on Twitter that there are a lot of helicopters flying around the house as well as "townies" congregating close to the residence.

We need to find someone who's livestreaming this action. It has to be out there

 

[MusterX]

That clip reminds me of someone like Gary Webb. The guy was an investigative journalist who exposed the cocaine trade, committed suicide by shooting himself in the head...twice.

Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10, 2004, with two gunshot wounds to the head. His death was ruled a suicide by the Sacramento County coroner's office.[67] After a local paper reported that he had died from multiple gunshots, the coroner's office received so many calls asking about Webb's death that Sacramento County Coroner Robert Lyons issued a statement confirming Webb had committed suicide.[68] When asked by local reporters about the possibility of two gunshots being a suicide, Lyons replied: "It's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots, but it has been done in the past, and it is in fact a distinct possibility."

 

[trident]

Fair enough, but that then raises questions as to why a man who a week earlier was deemed suicidal is then released from psych with little/no oversight? This is all so confusing... he was suicidal (per who, I'm not sure?) but then not suicidal (by who, I'm not sure) but then completes suicide (after being deemed not suicidal).

That decision should be well documented and all things proper we should soon see just who, why and how that decision was made.

Meanwhile we are led to believe that an inmate who was recently released from suicide watch, who then had their cellmate excused, somehow, was then left unattended for hours, to do what no one has done in 25 years, by sleeping guards because Trump cut their budget right in the middle of housing El Chapo.

Yup.

 

[trident]

That clip reminds me of someone like Gary Webb. The guy was an investigative journalist who exposed the cocaine trade, committed suicide by shooting himself in the head...twice.

Webb was found dead in his Carmichael home on December 10, 2004, with two gunshot wounds to the head. His death was ruled a suicide by the Sacramento County coroner's office.[67] After a local paper reported that he had died from multiple gunshots, the coroner's office received so many calls asking about Webb's death that Sacramento County Coroner Robert Lyons issued a statement confirming Webb had committed suicide.[68] When asked by local reporters about the possibility of two gunshots being a suicide, Lyons replied: "It's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots, but it has been done in the past, and it is in fact a distinct possibility."

Gary, the reluctant possessor of important information, followed his conscience and did what was right.

Imagine getting that hot stone thrown in your lap. What would the rest of us here do if in that situation?

Hespect Gary Webb.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

There's a pretty juicy Vanity Fair article about this. Here are some excerpts:

The sinister depravity of Epstein’s sexual world, and Maxwell’s role in enabling it, was mostly kept hidden. The two were fixtures on a certain rarefied Manhattan circuit. Epstein was as a practical joker who liked messing with people he regarded as lower on the food chain. A prominent 1990s Sports Illustrated model who dated Epstein describes meeting Donald Trump at one of Trump’s parties in the penthouse of the Plaza Hotel back then, and Trump goading Epstein to get her number. “Jeffrey said he wouldn’t give it to him and he had to get it from me,” she says. She finally gave it to him on another occasion, but he lost the number. “Trump called Jeffrey trying to get it again, saying ‘She gave it to me! You know she gave it to me! You can give it to me now!’ but Jeffrey wouldn’t do it.” She laughs. “Donald was such a joke to all of the models back then—we all knew he was bankrupt and had no game. I remember Jeffrey once saying he was going to be late to pick me up because he had to drop off food for Donald—he was at home crying under the covers.”

On the weekends in the 1990s, Maxwell would have her Rollerblades FedExed to Epstein’s island in the Caribbean, and said she got her helicopter’s license so she could transport anyone she liked without pilots knowing who they were. Maxwell also said the island had been completely wired for video; the friend thought that she and Epstein were videotaping everyone on the island as an insurance policy, as blackmail. A source close to Maxwell says she spoke glibly and confidently about getting girls to sexually service Epstein, saying this was simply what he wanted, and describing the way she’d drive around to spas and trailer parks in Florida to recruit them. She would claim she had a phone job for them, “and you’ll make lots of money, meet everyone, and I’ll change your life.” The source continues, “Ghislaine was in love with Jeffrey the way she was in love with her father. She always thought if she just did one more thing for him, to please him, he would marry her.”

Maxwell had one other thing to tell this woman: “When I asked what she thought of the underage girls, she looked at me and said, ‘they’re nothing, these girls. They are trash.’”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-mystery-of-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-enabler

 

[Hollywood Jack]

What Modeling Taught Me About Jeffrey Epstein
By Sara Ziff

When I first saw Jeffrey Esptein’s mugshot, I recognized him instantly. It was several years ago, when he was first accused of sex trafficking. Early in my working life as a young model, I was on location in Florida for a photo shoot with an older, Eastern European model, who was eager for me to meet her friend, Jeffrey. We visited a residence, presumably his Palm Beach estate, during the day and I chatted with him as he sat beside me facing a swimming pool. He was personable, casually dressed, and asked me about myself. When I told him that I grew up in New York City and attended Dalton, the elite private high school on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, he seemed surprised. He had taught math there. What did my family do, he asked?

Nothing untoward happened. In hindsight, I wonder if this was because of Epstein’s awareness of my background. As the child of a professor and an attorney, I had a support network of family and friends in New York. I was relatively privileged compared to many of my peers who entered the modeling world from working class backgrounds and less prosperous countries such as Brazil and the nations of Eastern Europe. In 2015, alleged Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre said in court filings that Epstein, MC2 modeling agency founder Jean Luc Brunel, and their associates “deliberately engaged in a pattern of racketeering that involved luring minor children through MC2, mostly girls under the age of 17, to engage in sexual play for money.” Elisabetta Tai, an Italian model whose agent sent her to meet Epstein at his Manhattan residence for a casting for Victoria’s Secret, alleges that Epstein propositioned her for a nude massage. Brunel was also once a partner at Next, my then-modeling agency. It’s sickening to think that I might have been spared because of Epstein’s calculations about who was fair game and who wasn’t.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/what-modeling-taught-me-about-jeffrey-epstein.html

 

[PhitePhan]

Are you really comparing suicide rates of the average civilian, to jail/prison?

I'm saying that it is not "easy" to kill yourself, as 32 out of 33 attempts are unsuccessful. I'm not sure what the rate of successful suicide is in prison, I'm honestly assuming it is less than in the community where means and opportunity are more plentiful.

 

[Dan O]

I mostly just lurk in this forum and I think this is the longest running thread I’ve actually read every post in. I’m always reluctant to comment because two thirds of the interactions are essentially “no fuck you and your opinion that you actually never act on!!”

It’s a pretty “no faith in humanity” kind of feeling afterwards.

This blind partisanship and willing embrace of lack of information, or mis information has to stop. It threatens all of us equally. It’s not you Vs. me, or them Vs. us.

It’s about civil discourse and compromise based on reasoning.

I’m very disappointed in this community for embracing hateful vitriol on BOTH sides and I applaud the posters that refuse to engage in maliciously divisive arguments.

 

[Fawlty]

compromise based on reasoning.

Here's where you're mistaken. Reasoning leads away from compromise. Bad reasoning and good reasoning generally diverge a lot. Reasoning merely for the purpose of compromise is also generally unsound reasoning. There is no middle ground between batshit conspiracy theories and sound reasoning, either. This is some weak "both sides" stuff dressed up in a moral nightgown, which is one of the more repulsive uses of the human mind.

America is under a lot of stress these days due to bad reasoning, conspiracy thinking, and fantasizing. There is no compromising with them on reason.

 

[trident]

I think therefore I am

 

[Dan O]

Here's where you're mistaken. Reasoning leads away from compromise. Bad reasoning and good reasoning generally diverge a lot. Reasoning merely for the purpose of compromise is also generally unsound reasoning. There is no middle ground between batshit conspiracy theories and sound reasoning, either. This is some weak "both sides" stuff dressed up in a moral nightgown, which is one of the more repulsive uses of the human mind.

America is under a lot of stress these days due to bad reasoning, conspiracy thinking, and fantasizing. There is no compromising with them on

I respectfully disagree.

I strongly believe that once you abandon all hope of talking openly, and with civility, about your disagreements, with your perceived “opponents” that a society is failing. I believe that the objective of discourse should be the sharing of factual information and not slanderous/libelous/speculative arguments. Granted, “debate”, means entering into a conversation with a bias or platform but entering into it with absolutes sort of defeats the purpose.

“Right” is dictated by popular opinion from my observation and morality throughout history seems to be a very flexible concept. Few conversations that start from a place of anger and defense ever end well.

Please don’t take this as a personal affront. I’m just arguing for civil, fact-based discourse.