Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[PolishHeadlock2]

No, this not sound reasoning. Besides the fact that rare events do happen anyway, the odds of a prisoner being able to commit suicide at the time Epstein committed suicide are dependent on the conditions in the prison at the time. It has nothing to do with conditions in years past. And we have reason to believe that the conditions during Epstein's suicide were significantly different due to deteriorating conditions, especially understaffing and underfunding. It is therefore not valid to lean on your (unproven) statistic.

And he had the money and lawyers to sue himself off of Suicide Watch.

Doubt many other prisoners can do that

 

[Fawlty]

And he had the money and lawyers to sue himself off of Suicide Watch.

Doubt many other prisoners can do that

Yeah I'd put down "can spend 12 hours with his lawyers" as not a normal condition lol.

 

[PhitePhan]

No, this not sound reasoning. Besides the fact that rare events do happen anyway, the odds of a prisoner being able to commit suicide at the time Epstein committed suicide are dependent on the conditions in the prison at the time. It has nothing to do with conditions in years past. And we have reason to believe that the conditions during Epstein's suicide were significantly different due to deteriorating conditions, especially understaffing and underfunding. It is therefore not valid to lean on your (unproven) statistic.

As I pointed out yesterday, these conditions are not new (per YOUR article), therefore you can't just hand wave the fact that prison conditions have been subpar for years (per the article you posted yesterday) yet there have been no other successful suicides in this same context.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

“Today is my first step towards reclaiming my power,” Araoz said during a call with reporters Wednesday after the suit was filed. “Jeffrey Epstein and his network of enablers stole from me. They robbed me of my youth, my identity, my innocence, my self-worth. For too long, they escaped accountability. I am here today because I intend to change that.”

sounds very suicidal, i give her 2 weeks

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

As I pointed out yesterday, these conditions are not new (per YOUR article), therefore you can't just hand wave the fact that prison conditions have been subpar for years (per the article you posted yesterday) yet there have been no other successful suicides in this same context.

I posted artciles from the NYT (one written last year) that talked about the conditions in Federal prison deteriorating specifically in the past 3 years

 

[SurferH2O]

Leftists: believe Trump Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory for 2 years with no evidence.

Also Leftist: There is no way Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.

lol

 

[trident]

No, this not sound reasoning. Besides the fact that rare events do happen anyway, the odds of a prisoner being able to commit suicide at the time Epstein committed suicide are dependent on the conditions in the prison at the time. It has nothing to do with conditions in years past. And we have reason to believe that the conditions during Epstein's suicide were significantly different due to deteriorating conditions, especially understaffing and underfunding. It is therefore not valid to lean on your (unproven) statistic.

Q: whats the chance of a suicide in this facility?

A: .00001%

Fawlty: not sound reasoning. Rare things happen. That's the most likely scenario. Something very rare happened.

Lmao

 

[Fawlty]

Q: whats the chance of a suicide in this facility?

A: .00001%

Fawlty: not sound reasoning. Rare things happen. That's the most likely scenario. Something very rare happened.

Lmao

The stat reflects conditions over the last 25 years (and afaik that stat is not proven). The suicide happened in conditions at the time it happened, which we're learning were abnormal (understaffing, underfunding, now evidence of potential faking of paperwork).

 

[trident]

The stat reflects conditions over the last 25 years (and afaik that stat is not proven). The suicide happened in conditions at the time it happened, which we're learning were abnormal (understaffing, underfunding, now evidence of potential faking of paperwork).

The last one to suicide there was a Philly drug dealer in the 90s. Been mentioned on many news outlets and hasn't been disputed.

But you have qualifiers that rule out the past and focus on some new lower standard that has made this facility unable to do its job properly.

How long have these standards been so low? How come there havent been other suicides? Should we expect more?

 

[Witchhunt]

Get help


Conspiracy theories, and their ability to spread at lightning speed, are what happens when some of the worst aspects of human psychology are amplified by the internet. We keep seeing this happen over and over.

After the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in 2018, the No. 1 trending video on YouTube falsely claimed that survivor David Hogg — who has been outspoken in support of gun control — was a paid actor. After the mass shooting in Las Vegas, in 2017, Google featured in its “top stories” a 4chan forum — an anonymous message board notorious for fueling conspiracy theories — that misidentified the shooter as a Democrat with ties to leftist, anti-fascist groups.

We now know why many people believe in, or are attracted to, conspiracy theories. Psychologists have found conspiracy theories are a tool to quell anxiety, give people a sense of control, and help make sense of a complicated, depressing, and often disappointing world. “It’s a self-protective mechanism,” Jan-Willem van Prooijen, a top psychological researcher studying conspiracy theories, told me in 2017. It’s often easier — and more comforting — to believe in an elaborate neatly tied-up lie than to deal with the truth.

Humans aren’t perfectly rational thinkers, so conspiracy theories — and their bedfellows, superstitions — aren’t anything new.

What is new, and concerning, is how fast they can now spread. Our online media ecosystems seemed designed (intentionally or not) to promote them over real news stories in the wake of breaking news.

People who feel powerless and who are more pessimistic are also more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. The theories “serve the need for people to feel safe and secure in their environment and to exert control over the environment,” a recent review of the field of conspiracy theory psychology, explains. They’re also a type of motivated reasoning. If conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death make the Clintons look bad, people on the right are going to be more likely to embrace them.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...conspiracy-theory-clintonbodycount-psychology

Karen Douglas,,, Anyone?

 

[helltoupee]

Are you Canadian too? I know this game as well, but it's funny that I only hear Canadians reference it.

No, I'm not. We only played this game once, or at least I did, because one of the guys who did it with us went into convulsions which freaked me out. Did you do it with a bucket bong? The way we made it was we had an ice chest filled with water, then we took an empty 1 gallon milk container and cut it in half. We modified the cap to hold a bowl, and then you submerge the milk container in the water almost all the way up to the cap, and light your bowl as you slowly pull up, which draws the smoke into the milk bottle. Once it's filled, you take off the cap and put your mouth over the neck and inhale while pushing the milk carton down - which puts a huge amount of smoke into your lungs. We would then stand up, tilt our head back, and pinch the neck until you woke up a few seconds later lying on the floor. To me, it felt like I had fell asleep and had an entire dream in that few seconds - as if I slept for hours. It was weird.

 

[tonni]

No, this not sound reasoning. Besides the fact that rare events do happen anyway, the odds of a prisoner being able to commit suicide at the time Epstein committed suicide are dependent on the conditions in the prison at the time. It has nothing to do with conditions in years past. And we have reason to believe that the conditions during Epstein's suicide were significantly different due to deteriorating conditions, especially understaffing and underfunding. It is therefore not valid to lean on your (unproven) statistic.

I’m pretty convinced he was killed but I’m glad there’s people like you being sceptical. It’s so silly when people get angry because someone doesn’t believe their conspiracy right away.

 

[tonni]

Leftists: believe Trump Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory for 2 years with no evidence.

Also Leftist: There is no way Jeffrey Epstein killed himself.

lol

Uhm, most lefties think foul play is involved. Nice meme though l o l

 

[HereticBD]

No, I'm not. We only played this game once, or at least I did, because one of the guys who did it with us went into convulsions which freaked me out. Did you do it with a bucket bong? The way we made it was we had an ice chest filled with water, then we took an empty 1 gallon milk container and cut it in half. We modified the cap to hold a bowl, and then you submerge the milk container in the water almost all the way up to the cap, and light your bowl as you slowly pull up, which draws the smoke into the milk bottle. Once it's filled, you take off the cap and put your mouth over the neck and inhale while pushing the milk carton down - which puts a huge amount of smoke into your lungs. We would then stand up, tilt our head back, and pinch the neck until you woke up a few seconds later lying on the floor. To me, it felt like I had fell asleep and had an entire dream in that few seconds - as if I slept for hours. It was weird.

No. Nothing that complicated. I was just referring to the "choke out" game. We would just stand against a wall or something, and get someone to kind of like press on the sides of our neck and push the skin back, until we blacked out and dropped.

Not the smartest of "games". LOL.

 

[Higus]

What option would best cover an opinion like, he was coerced to commit suicide and enabled by outside parties?

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Meh, if I had his resources, I would have rolled the dice before offing myself.

It wouldn't be dice you'd be rolling. That little booty would be on the line.

 

[MikeMcMann]

What option would best cover an opinion like, he was coerced to commit suicide and enabled by outside parties?

I've been putting forth two options since the beginning:

- Blind ignorance - just poor handling up and down the line. No intent. Or maybe just 'IDGAF, so I am not going out of my way to protect this guy.
- Willful or purposeful ignorance - Getting out of the way and allowing it to happen because you know he will if just left to his own devices OR leaving a path open for others to do it. Both of these fall under what is often referred to as Jailhouse justice.

Your post falls into my second bracket.

 

[Fawlty]

The last one to suicide there was a Philly drug dealer in the 90s. Been mentioned on many news outlets and hasn't been disputed.

But you have qualifiers that rule out the past and focus on some new lower standard that has made this facility unable to do its job properly.

How long have these standards been so low? How come there havent been other suicides? Should we expect more?

The investigation should be able to determine how long the practices at the prison have been in breach, and why. Our information now points to serious problems that have gotten worse. It's a fact that the facility did not do its job properly. That is essentially 100% probable at this point. Facilities that don't do their jobs properly fail for reasons like understaffing, poor training, underfunding, overworking, negligent leadership, negligent employees, etc. It's possible they failed due to corruption, but there is precisely zero evidence for that, while on the other hand there is evidence of understaffing, poor training, overworking, and underfunding. And there are unconfirmed but reasonable suspicions of negligent employees. So naturally, we should prefer the explanation that fits the evidence until evidence provides another explanation.

 

[bobgeese]

So, Epstein had a painting (or a picture from the look of it) of Bill Clinton in a blue dress and heels...

 

[The Merchant]

I see 2 of the guards fell asleep then falsified their records.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-jail-officers.html