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Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

How do ya think Epstein died?


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It looks like this is going to be an indictment on the entire Federal Prison system. They've been understaffed for over a year with guards working a ton of overtime and under qualified staff acting as substitute guards.
Ah, so the most likely thing seems to be the case...that the prison was a mess...and not the super unlikely remake of "From Russia With Love" or whatever.
 
Ah, so the most likely thing seems to be the case...that the prison was a mess...and not the super unlikely remake of "From Russia With Love" or whatever.

No, because this prison wasn't a mess, and had never had anyone commit suicide under their watch, even though they've housed plenty who would love to do so.

The fact that Epstein was their first "mishap" only raises suspicion over how it happened.
 
No, because this prison wasn't a mess, and had never had anyone commit suicide under their watch, even though they've housed plenty who would love to do so.

The fact that Epstein was their first "mishap" only raises suspicion over how it happened.

It's very interesting seeing the biases at play here... the folks that push "nothing to see here" are using thinking that is just as flawed, if not more so, than the "conspiracy nuts." Fascinating.
 
How is it that you determined this to be "the most likely thing?"
Because we know the guards were not doing the job properly in any case. That's strongly indicative of there being problems with leadership, staffing, funding, and the like. A lot of this dumb conspiracy theory relies on there being great control of the prison and a "convenient" lapse. The far more likely explanation is that the procedures were in lapse prior to this event, and that there wasn't the great control of prison conditions, creating the conditions for easier suicide. That's just how causality and probability work most of the time.
 
No, because this prison wasn't a mess, and had never had anyone commit suicide under their watch, even though they've housed plenty who would love to do so.

The fact that Epstein was their first "mishap" only raises suspicion over how it happened.
So when it comes out in Barr's inquiry that procedures weren't followed regularly, and that they were understaffed and underfunded, etc, will you say that Prison Czar X saw this whole thing coming like a year ago and made sure that MCC would be bad at suicide prevention for when Epstein would eventually go there? I want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes.
 
They can't stand a Jew was able to die by his own hands and not theirs. Epstein wasn't going out like Jesus.

We got people talking Mossad in this thread
The highest profile inmate in the US committed suicide in a jail that hasn't lost an inmate prior to this. Now even if you ignore the breach of protocol, that barebones statement alone should raise the wtf flag in my opinion.

Regardless of where you stand, this thread has been an interesting read.
 
No, because this prison wasn't a mess, and had never had anyone commit suicide under their watch, even though they've housed plenty who would love to do so.

The fact that Epstein was their first "mishap" only raises suspicion over how it happened.

The highest profile inmate in the US committed suicide in a jail that hasn't lost an inmate prior to this. Now even if you ignore the breach of protocol, that barebones statement alone should raise the wtf flag in my opinion.

Regardless of where you stand, this thread has been an interesting read.

That has already been explained by Epstein being the smartest guy to ever be in there. He knows about math and anatomy among other things. Look up who he hung out with, what he funded, what he studied. He was very involved in science and math with a huge appetite for knowledge.

He was also good at manipulating people too obviously. All he has to do is outsmart one guard for like 4 minutes.
 
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That has already been explained by Epstein being the smartest guy to ever be in there. He knows about math and anatomy among other things. Look up who he hung out with, what he funded, what he studied. He was very involved in science and math with a huge appetite for knowledge.

He was also good at manipulating people too obviously. All he has to do is outsmart one guard for like 4 minutes.
The biggest question I think most have though is if this facility has never had someone off themselves who was on suicide watch then how did they have mis-steps on having a cellmate with him AND the bed checks for one of the highest profile people they've ever had in there.
 
Ah, so the most likely thing seems to be the case...that the prison was a mess...and not the super unlikely remake of "From Russia With Love" or whatever.
I am open to many possibilities along the gross negligence... purposeful negligence line at this point.

But if you asked me to bet my own money I would bet on some combination of gross negligence mixed with purposeful negligence. What does that mean?

Gross negligence is simply the comedy of errors we see that could result in him being in a position to do the deed. Purposeful negligence is guards and others in the chain realizing things should be tighter for him but not really giving a f*ck or feeling super motivated to get off their asses to do something as he is a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile and prisons typically have a way of dealing with :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes better than courts do. So if nature is going to take its course here, I am not going to rush and try and stop it.

If there was a Million dollar reward paid out to the one who could guess what happened that would be my guess.

The more insidious type of Purposeful negligence is when the guards knowingly open a path to someone to get at the :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile such as other inmates.
 
I am open to many possibilities along the gross negligence... purposeful negligence line at this point.

But if you asked me to bet my own money I would bet on some combination of gross negligence mixed with purposeful negligence. What does that mean?

Gross negligence is simply the comedy of errors we see that could result in him being in a position to do the deed. Purposeful negligence is guards and others in the chain realizing things should be tighter for him but not really giving a f*ck or feeling super motivated to get off their asses to do something as he is a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile and prisons typically have a way of dealing with :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes better than courts do. So if nature is going to take its course here, I am not going to rush and try and stop it.

If there was a Million dollar reward paid out to the one who could guess what happened that would be my guess.

The more insidious type of Purposeful negligence is when the guards knowingly open a path to someone to get at the :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile such as other inmates.
I could see the purposeful negligence being a simple:
"Dude, when was the last time we checked on that one dude?"
"Who? Epstein? Like 45 minutes ago"
"So we missed the 30 minute check?"
"Yeah, but fuck that piece of shit"
 
It's very interesting seeing the biases at play here... the folks that push "nothing to see here" are using thinking that is just as flawed, if not more so, than the "conspiracy nuts." Fascinating.

Trump most likely had him killed. He just used the boring and bloated bureaucracy to do it.
 
So how does this whole :eek::eek::eek::eek: thing fit into the narrative? Do you think it was all setup from the beginning - his early 20’s- to get dirt on the most powerful in the world?
Good question. I think it was a setup from the start but Epstein and Maxwell swung out of control. His appetite was insatiable. He needed a new girl every day. Needed to blow his load 3-7x every day. Had new girls recruiting even newer girls for finders fees and loose lips sank the ship. I think Maxwell was Epstein's handler but he ended up manipulating her and she lost control of the situation. The higher ups at Mossad wanted a tighter operation and burned him/them after he/they were exposed.
 
The highest profile inmate in the US committed suicide in a jail that hasn't lost an inmate prior to this.
This sort of "statement forming" is very typical of troofer JAQ-ing (something I wouldn't think you'd like to emulate). He's not the most high profile inmate (ever heard of El Chapo?), and unless you have information I don't have, you can't conclude that MCC has never had a suicide.

But overall the statement forming stuff is defensive and doesn't have much informational value. It's always one-sided, too. Definitely not any sort of valid argument.
 
I could see the purposeful negligence being a simple:
"Dude, when was the last time we checked on that one dude?"
"Who? Epstein? Like 45 minutes ago"
"So we missed the 30 minute check?"
"Yeah, but fuck that piece of shit"

Yup.

And also 'you know, we really should not let him remain in his cell alone now his cellmate has been transferred. Someone should probably do something but f*ck that guy. If he wants to off himself, I am not going to go to any great effort to let the bosses know things are not being done properly'.

Other inmates and guards can just get conditioned to not caring about certain inmates and whether they make court or not. no matter how much outsiders might care. that could easily be the case here.

it is hard to see this as a series of oblivious mistakes but willful, allowed to happen mistakes because 'f*ck that guy'... ya I could buy that.
 
The biggest question I think most have though is if this facility has never had someone off themselves who was on suicide watch then how did they have mis-steps on having a cellmate with him AND the bed checks for one of the highest profile people they've ever had in there.

The biggest question is why was he taken off suicide watch?

Were his lawyers arguing to get him out of suicide watch? Was there a lack of staff to keep him on Suicide Watch? Did somebody at the jail specifically remove him from suicide watch?
 
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So how does this whole :eek::eek::eek::eek: thing fit into the narrative? Do you think it was all setup from the beginning - his early 20’s- to get dirt on the most powerful in the world?

Good question. I think it was a setup from the start but Epstein and Maxwell swung out of control. His appetite was insatiable. He needed a new girl every day. Needed to blow his load 3-7x every day. Had new girls recruiting even newer girls for finders fees and loose lips sank the ship. I think Maxwell was Epstein's handler but he ended up manipulating her and she lost control of the situation. The higher ups at Mossad wanted a tighter operation and burned him/them after he/they were exposed.

Ya, someone like Epstein and his appetites can become known to various intelligence agencies who can see far more use in using him, then busting him. He becomes an 'asset' and can provide all sorts of compromising information on many of the worlds most powerful people.

There should be no one suggesting the idea that Epstein was compromised by one or more of the worlds intelligence agencies and being used as an asset is crazy or off limits to consider at this point.
 
The biggest question is why was he taken off suicide watch?

Were his lawyers arguing to get him out of suicide watch? Was there a lack of staff to keep him on Suicide Watch? Did somebody at the jail specifically remove him from suicide watch?
The fact that he tried once, unsuccessfully and was taken off the watch and wasn't sent to the fucking mental wing of a local hospital after the attempt is bizarre to me unless the state he was in has different regulations than Washington has.

Washington if an inmate attempts suicide be it hanging, trying to drown themselves, cutting themselves they're dragged to the local hospital and put on an at least 72 hour hold and when they're brought back to the jail they're never taken off suicide watch. Like, ever.
 
The biggest question is why was he taken off suicide watch?

Were his lawyers arguing to get him out of suicide watch? Was there a lack of staff to keep him on Suicide Watch? Did somebody at the jail specifically remove him from suicide watch?

One reason being that suicide watch actually makes inmates more depressed. Protective custody in general does. He may have just wanted out of his current situation.

I'm assuming all he would have to do is say some reasonable things to a doctor and get cleared.
 
The biggest question is why was he taken off suicide watch?

Were his lawyers arguing to get him out of suicide watch? Was there a lack of staff to keep him on Suicide Watch? Did somebody at the jail specifically remove him from suicide watch?

I put almost equal weight on all these questions:

- why was he taken off suicide watch and moved out of the suicide 'proof' cells? Who was in on the decision? Did it follow normal protocol?
- why did the guard(s) not do their normal rounds which could hamper the time needed to complete the act? Why was this protocol broken?
- What is captured on CCTV? Were they working normally?
- If, indeed, he was supposed to have a cell mate as an additional suicide deterrent, which we now know protocol says he was, why did he not? Who made that call?
 
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