Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Lubaolong]

If this thread does nothing else, it shows the large majority of posters here accept explanations that fit within their ideological beliefs over thinking analytically. It shows just a lack of basic knowledge. People who have a basic level of knowledge of facts usually don't fall prey to conspiracy theories like this.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Before Jail Suicide, Epstein Was Left Alone and Not Closely Monitored
The disclosures about apparent failures in Jeffrey Epstein’s detention deepened the questions about his suicide.

Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.

In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.

The disclosures about apparent failures in Mr. Epstein’s detention at the Metropolitan Correctional Center deepened questions about his suicide and are very likely to be the focus of inquiries by the Justice Department and the F.B.I.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html

 

[HereticBD]

Before Jail Suicide, Epstein Was Left Alone and Not Closely Monitored
The disclosures about apparent failures in Jeffrey Epstein’s detention deepened the questions about his suicide.

Jeffrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.

In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.

The disclosures about apparent failures in Mr. Epstein’s detention at the Metropolitan Correctional Center deepened questions about his suicide and are very likely to be the focus of inquiries by the Justice Department and the F.B.I.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html

Okay, now I'm just waiting to hear about the cameras being turned off that night, in another case of innocent "negligence".

 

[IDL]

Okay, now I'm just waiting to hear about the cameras being turned off that night, in another case of innocent "negligence".

There was a high concentration of swamp gas that rolled in that evening.

 

[BlacknBlue]

It seems like only yesterday that pizzagate happened. Pretty much the entire media (and 80% of Sherdog) went full on assault mode. The narrative was that only unhinged, right-wing, CT nut jobs would believe that there was some kind of phile ring in existence that catered to the rich and powerful.

So here we are 3 years later and it has pretty much been confirmed that Epstein was running a phile ring for some of the richest and most powerful people in the world. I can't say I ever was in to the Pizzagate CT, but does anyone think this somewhat vindicates the Pizzagate CTers at all?

Also, does the narrative used by some to describe anyone who finds Epstein's suicide suspicious sound familiar?

 

[ToxicShocker]

No one doubted there was rich phile rings, it's just laughable that some guy said it was a pizza shop and impressionable cts went with it.

This in no way vindicates pizzagate

 

[ocfightfan]

It seems like only yesterday that pizzagate happened. Pretty much the entire media (and 80% of Sherdog) went full on assault mode. The narrative was that only unhinged, right-wing, CT nut jobs would believe that there was some kind of phile ring in existence that catered to the rich and powerful.

So here we are 3 years later and it has pretty much been confirmed that Epstein was running a phile ring for some of the richest and most powerful people in the world. I can't say I ever was in to the Pizzagate CT, but does anyone think this somewhat vindicates the Pizzagate CTers at all?

Also, does the narrative used by some to describe anyone who finds Epstein's suicide suspicious sound familiar?

Crazy how people see what they want to see.

I never really bought into the whole Pizzagate thing, but some of it jibs with stuff I already believe about rings. I think these guys are highly networked and the high level ones get away with it for years because they are good at corrupting other powerful people and blackmailing them. Hopefully more information comes out about what Epstein was up to, but I think blackmail is how he became a billionaire and then he used that as even more leverage to commit his crimes. In the end though it just wasn't enough. There are just too many people he couldn't control and he also couldn't control his urges.

 

[all caps]

No one doubted there was rich phile rings

 

[PHATV]

BEAST: BIGGEST BOMBSHELLS IN EPSTEIN DOCS...
Powerful Men Named in Sex Ring...
Prince Andrew exposed...
'Jeffrey Needed Three Orgasms A Day'...
How madam lured girls...

PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM FEAR MURDERED...
TOLD AUTHORITIES SOMEONE TRIED TO KILL HIM...
GUARDS 'DID NOT CHECK CELL'...
Ex-Inmate: 'No Way' He Killed Himself...
'HEADS MUST ROLL'...
CONSPIRACIES ERUPT...
#ClintonBodyCount vs. #TrumpBodyCount...
FLASHBACK: 'HIS LIFE IS DEFINITELY IN JEOPARDY'...

WHO DONE IT?

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Hmmm... So just like the El Paso thread the DAF shit posters are now looking to critiquing great moderators/great posters.

History repeats itself.

 

[Toothy]

You see this you tards? This is who you have become. 911 truthers. These are your people now. This is you. Enjoy.

Ok, this I can agree with. The American media is shit and helps breed conspiracies.

So you rip on people who don't believe the official narrative of the , in your words "shit American media".
You seem confused.
You , then, must believe the official narrative of past events as told to you by the shit American media.. that makes you a lemming and a fool.

 

[JonesBones]

So you rip on people who don't believe the official narrative of the , in your words "shit American media".
You seem confused.
You , then, must believe the official narrative of past events as told to you by the shit American media.. that makes you a lemming and a fool.

You're a nut. We live in a world with error, stupidity and motives. There is a saying in journalism, better to be wrong first than to be right second. They just want to get the story as quick as possible and not care about details. This happens in all conspiracies. There are always conflicting reports that the CT nut can use. I attribute this to the necessary error of events and processes that are revised. You attribute it to malice. There is a great book by a Nobel Prize winning Economist. Thinking fast and slow. CT nuts think fast.


The central thesis is a dichotomy between two modes of thought: "System 1" is fast, instinctive and emotional; "System 2" is slower, more deliberative, and more logical. The book delineates cognitive biases associated with each type of thinking, starting with Kahneman's own research on loss aversion. From framing choicesto people's tendency to replace a difficult question with one which is easy to answer, the book highlights several decades of academic research to suggest that people place too much confidence in human judgement.


Kahneman uses heuristics to assert that System 1 thinking involves associating new information with existing patterns, or thoughts, rather than creating new patterns for each new experience. For example, a child who has only seen shapes with straight edges would experience an octagon rather than a triangle when first viewing a circle. In a legal metaphor, a judge limited to heuristic thinking would only be able to think of similar historical cases when presented with a new dispute, rather than seeing the unique aspects of that case. In addition to offering an explanation for the statistical problem, the theory also offers an explanation for human biases.

William James knew this a long time ago:

" For every real dilemma is in literal strictness a unique situation; and the exact combination of ideals realized and ideals disappointed which each decision creates is always a universe without a precedent, and for which no adequate previous rule exists."

-William James

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself

The following account is from a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan, where Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive Saturday, and declared dead at a hospital of an apparent suicide. The ex-convict, who spoke to The Post’s Brad Hamilton and Bruce Golding on the condition of anonymity, spent several months in the 9 South special housing unit for high-profile prisoners awaiting trial — like Epstein.

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

 

[Nate banged my mom]

Hmmm... So just like the El Paso thread the DAF shit posters are now looking to critiquing great moderators/great posters.

History repeats itself.

It’s an Internet forum. Get a grip

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

It’s an Internet forum. Get a grip

Tell that to people crying about the moderators!

 

[JonesBones]

Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself

The following account is from a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan, where Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive Saturday, and declared dead at a hospital of an apparent suicide. The ex-convict, who spoke to The Post’s Brad Hamilton and Bruce Golding on the condition of anonymity, spent several months in the 9 South special housing unit for high-profile prisoners awaiting trial — like Epstein.

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

This guy doesn't know the exact conditions Epstein was in or what his plan was. I bet Epstein also has double the IQ this guy and knows a lot more about mathematics, anatomy, etc. which would be helpful in trying to kill yourself. Remember this guy was a Jew. He was fuckin smart as a whip.

Remember all the shit that Walt pulled off on Breaking Bad? His cleverness got him out of so much. That is Epstein. Fuckin Macgyver.

 

[all caps]

Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself

The following account is from a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan, where Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive Saturday, and declared dead at a hospital of an apparent suicide. The ex-convict, who spoke to The Post’s Brad Hamilton and Bruce Golding on the condition of anonymity, spent several months in the 9 South special housing unit for high-profile prisoners awaiting trial — like Epstein.

There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

When you’re on suicide watch, they put you in this white smock, a straight jacket. They know a person cannot be injurious to themselves.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/suici...ssible-at-ulta-secure-jeffrey-epstein-lockup/

Suicide supposedly nearly impossible at ulta-secure Jeffrey Epstein lockup

"Jeffrey Epstein’s shocking death occurred at an ultra-secure federal lock-up where suicide is supposedly next to impossible.

Yet Epstein, 66, apparently managed to hang himself in his cell in the Special Housing Unit on the 9th floor of the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center at about 6:30 a.m. Saturday.

He had been on suicide watch there, presumably without access to a belt or shoelaces and closely monitored by guards, as is standard protocol, but was taken off the list sometime before Saturday, when he was found curled up and unresponsive.

One report said the watch was removed as recently as Thursday, but others claimed it had been in place only for about a week after the July 23 incident that left Epstein with bruises on his neck.

Jail spokesman Lee Plourde would not discuss when the watch status was removed or why, a step that would require a face-to-face evaluation and written justification, according to Bureau of Prisons policy.

Suicide at the jail, which serves mainly as a holding facility for about 765 men and women awaiting trial for federal crimes of all levels, is rare.

A review of published stories found only one such death in the past 21 years, the 1998 suicide of South Philadelphia drug kingpin Louis Turra, who reportedly hanged himself.

A handful of suicide attempts were also reported.

But life in the specialized units often involves inmates being watched by cameras in their cells and checked by guards almost constantly."

More at the link

 

[Limbo Pete]

Sure but you are being obtuse.

You are clinging to 'possible' even though the prison is specialized in housing high value targets who are suicide risks, and touting having a special suicide area, where every cell is devoid of anything that could aid a suicide attempt and under 24/7 surveillance.

So can you argue someone could ARGUABLY just start jumping into the air and trying to land on their head and break their neck. Ok theoretically possible. More likely they just hurt themselves before the guyards jump in and stop them.

But the issue here is that they apparently had him in this area at first but removed him to normal cells where suicide was much more easily accomplished. At least according to the expert who worked in the prison I saw on one of the talking head shows, said.

My issue was that he said suicide under observation is "literally impossible"

 

[all caps]

This guy doesn't know the exact conditions Epstein was in or what his plan was. I bet Epstein also has double the IQ this guy and knows a lot more about mathematics, anatomy, etc. which would be helpful in trying to kill yourself. Remember this guy was a Jew. He was fuckin smart as a whip.

Remember all the shit that Walt pulled off on Breaking Bad? His cleverness got him out of so much. That is Epstein. Fuckin Macgyver.

Post links or shut the fuck up with your stupid conspiracy blood libel IQ shit

 

[SBJJ]

This guy doesn't know the exact conditions Epstein was in or what his plan was. I bet Epstein also has double the IQ this guy and knows a lot more about mathematics, anatomy, etc. which would be helpful in trying to kill yourself. Remember this guy was a Jew. He was fuckin smart as a whip.

Remember all the shit that Walt pulled off on Breaking Bad? His cleverness got him out of so much. That is Epstein. Fuckin Macgyver.

When the one screaming against CT nuts actually becomes a CT nut