Crime Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[Huhla]

13 is quite young but was legal not too awfully long ago

There are tons of 16-17 year old prostitutes. I don't feel too much outrage about this, as long they aren't being forced into it.

nobody cares what you think kiddo, 13 year old child marriage laws being legal in certain countries doesn't make it kill any less women in childbirth

there's reasons other than moral and religious to wait

 

[JonesBones]

The SHU is not a nice place to be. Inmates are typically isolated from the general inmate population and locked in their cells for up to 23 hours a day with little contact with family, friends, or the outside world. It is an extremely difficult place to serve time, especially if the inmate is already thought to be suicidal. In fact, the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) considers inmates held in the SHU to potentially be at a greater risk of suicide than the general population.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/10/opin...ide-could-have-been-prevented-pate/index.html

Being in a suicide unit can actually make you more suicidal.

My theory:

Suicide unit was too much. He was either released because of that or because he convinced a doctor he realized he still had things to live for or something. You can talk about institutional controls all you want but this comes down to outwitting a single person like a doctor or guard for a short time. He had a sharp, mathematical and scientific mind. He could do things with precision and had the knowledge to do them. He is like a charming unabomber.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I think they should've been...which is the whole fucking point...

Maybe they weren't though? Aww shucks!

Sure, someone suicidal needs close monitoring. But as i've said a number of times in here, it's still very possible to kill yourself under supervision (the exact procedural nature of which, or course, can vary wildly). Difficult =/= impossible.

 

[The Merchant]

"With marks on/around his neck" appears in quite a few stories. I don't have any evidence that he was assaulted, and he was placed on suicide watch. I'll stick with that all things considered.

You don't have any evidence he tried to commit suicide either. Both have been reported. Your choosing what to believe on subjective terms.

What a crystal clear demonstration of bias. Him having previously attempted suicide strengthens your own belief so you choose to believe it despite it having no greater claim than the assault evidentially. Cognitive dissonance as textbook as it comes.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Yeah, really bizarre...

It's not like he's saying shit people are thinking, or anything...

Uh this happened under the watch of his DOJ.... but it's reasonable for the President to spread CT crap about a guy who hasn't been in office in 20 years lol

 

[Fawlty]

It's possible he was suicidal, sure.

But the idea that it's not plausible that a guy who potentially had incredibly damning evidence of the politicians and corporate elites could be murdered in prison is wild to me.

I can't imagine that it would even be hard to do. You don't need a vast conspiracy. You just need one person to grease a few palms.

It's plausible (though I can't think of a single time it has happened in the US that wasn't gang-related or a lower profile personal/criminal dispute). You have stuff like Ruby shooting Oswald while he was being transferred. Not sure what else, it's extremely rare and I don't think it has ever happened in similar super-high-profile circumstances.

But even though it's remotely plausible, that's not enough to overcome the prior probability of it being a suicide. And I don't just mean it's like 60/40, I mean it's like more than 99/1.

 

[The Merchant]

Especially as he wasn't on suicide watch, apparently.

Who said that? Quote them.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Btw, FYI, from what I have been told, about 1/4th of prisons are filled with legit crazy people, that are completely zonked out on pills 24/7 for years on end.

Then we release them when there sentence is up.

 

[Fawlty]

You don't have any evidence he tried to commit suicide either. Both have been reported. Your choosing what to believe on subjective terms.

What a crystal clear demonstration of bias. Him having previously attempted suicide strengthens your own belief so you choose to believe it despite it having no greater claim than the assault evidentially. Cognitive dissonance as textbook as it comes.

Yes, I do.

He was found on the floor of his cell unconscious with marks on his neck and was placed on suicide watch. That is evidence that he tried to commit suicide.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

It's possible he was suicidal, sure.

But the idea that it's not plausible that a guy who potentially had incredibly damning evidence of the politicians and corporate elites could be murdered in prison is wild to me.

I can't imagine that it would even be hard to do. You don't need a vast conspiracy. You just need one person to grease a few palms.

Again even if we go with this angle I think it's more likely they let a suicidal man killed himself compared to them actually committing the murder

 

[King in the North]

Here is what happens. You knock yourself out. People do this all the time.

Those same people also regularly get there head slammed into concrete by 7 prison guards, when they have a psycological break.

Well, no that isn’t really what happens all the time. If you hit someone in the head with a bat it might kill them it might not. I don’t think it’s likely or that it happens all the time but it could happen. I don’t know why we’re talking about this though lol.

 

[Fawlty]

Who said that? Quote them.

Dude, YOU POSTED A REUTERS ARTICLE THAT SAID THAT. This is too funny, why don't you take the night off, Socrates.

 

[pinger]

American politics is the most interesting topic on the planet.

It's nuttier than squirrel shit

 

[BEER]

It's plausible (though I can't think of a single time it has happened in the US that wasn't gang-related or a lower profile personal/criminal dispute). You have stuff like Ruby shooting Oswald while he was being transferred. Not sure what else, it's extremely rare and I don't think it has ever happened in similar super-high-profile circumstances.

But even though it's remotely plausible, that's not enough to overcome the prior probability of it being a suicide. And I don't just mean it's like 60/40, I mean it's like more than 99/1.

I'm considering the fact that there probably hasn't ever been someone who potentially has evidence and testimony on some of the highest figures in the world. I think that vastly changes the odds of whether or not it was murder.

 

[Huhla]

Who said that? Quote them.

who said he wasn't on suicide watch?

every major outlet

 

[King in the North]

Who said that? Quote them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide.html

Jeffrey Epstein Dead in Suicide at Jail, Spurring Inquiries
Mr. Epstein, the financier accused of sex trafficking, was not under suicide watch at the Manhattan jail at the time of his death.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Well, no that isn’t really what happens all the time. If you hit someone in the head with a bat it might kill them it might not. I don’t think it’s likely or that it happens all the time but it could happen. I don’t know why we’re talking about this though lol.

I mean in the wing of the prison where prisoners are on meds. They slam their head into the walls all the time. We have a shit tonne of people in prison that are bat shit crazy. I'm not talking about, "I'm crazy brah, don't fuck with me". I mean shit in a pile, and paint yourself, and the cell walls with it. Everyday, for years on end.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Again even if we go with this angle I think it's more likely they let a suicidal man killed himself compared to them actually committing the murder

Wouldn't shock me if they just sat there and watched while he died

 

[The Merchant]

Yes, I do.

He was found on the floor of his cell unconscious with marks on his neck and was placed on suicide watch. That is evidence that he tried to commit suicide.

How do we know he was suicidal? There is conflicting reports Journalists are reporting that he said he was attacked a few weeks back not that he tried to commit suicide.



even the Reuters report is ambigious

"Last month, Epstein was found unconscious on the floor of his jail cell with marks on his neck, and officials were investigating that incident as a possible suicide or assault."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-dies-by-suicide-media-reports-idUSKCN1V00GM

So you know it was suicide but the officials are still investigating, better phone them and say you have proof.

oh but look he was taken off suicide watch so he mustn't have been suicidal by your logic

"Even though Epstein was found unconscious last month, he had recently been taken off suicide watch,"

Also he was found semi-conscious but hey why sweat the small mistakes.

 

[Fawlty]

I'm considering the fact that there probably hasn't ever been someone who potentially has evidence and testimony on some of the highest figures in the world. I think that vastly changes the odds of whether or not it was murder.

I might adjust my inner odds if that was something that actually happens, but it's really not. It has an extremely low prior probability, while suicidal inmates going through with a successful attempt has a much higher prior.