It was Khamzat's fault the fight was boring, and that's OK if he only cares about winning

[markg171]

Who said he has "no bearing"? Holy shit you are breaking records for stupidity here. He's winning, so whether the fight is boring or not is secondary to him. The guy who's losing is the one who NEEDS to force excitement if giving himself a chance to win matters.

You just ooze idiocy. It's like being dumb is a job for you.

Trust me we're all well aware Khamzat gave zero fucks about whether it was exciting or not

 

[cshireman4]

Lay and pray is about the stupidest shit for you brainlets to clutch onto. What exactly was he praying for, that DDP wouldn't get all 9's on the judges' scorecards? He absolutely emasculated his opponent. 15-0 with 12 finishes, 9 of which were in the first round. All those who doubted him have been crying during his meteoric rise is that he has no cardio. You talk about the Usman and Burns fights. If he gets the belt, he won't be an active champ. DDP and his coach say some absolutely ignorant shit in the leadup. So he said fuck you to all of you simultaneously. Went 5 rounds. Didn't gas out. Took DDP down. Kept DDP down. Won the belt without a scratch on him. Wants to defend his belt in Abu Dhabi in 2 months. Mental gymnastics to imply he is a point fighter are absolutely wild. Your creativity for excuses is really going to be put to the test because he isn't going anywhere. Cope & seethe, that's your MW champ...

 

[markg171]

What's moronic is to admit that one guy was cruising, but he's not the one who was boring. No, the guy who when he was able to advance his position looked for a finish, it's all his fault that he wasn't able to get up sooner and make the fight more entertaining.

That's akin to saying that if there is a race, the guy in front cruising isn't at fault for making the race boring if no one can pass him. Most people watch races to see people drive fast, not cruise.

Man somehow thinks the guy who's controlling the fight also isn't controlling the fight if it's boring.

It's quite... novel to say the least.

 

[pātrēärkē]

There were numerous times where Dricus didn't even need to "get up". Khamzat just had a waist lock behind him and no hooks. Dricus stood there for minutes at a time and absorbed knees to his ass and did NOTHING. Do you really not understand that there are options for him there that are not accepting the position and waiting out the round? Tell me you don't follow this sport and not know this.

I don't know what fight you were watching, but the majority of the time DDP was on a knee or on his back. That's why Khamzat had 23 minutes of control time. Holding someone who is standing does not count as control time.

And yet again, even using your scenario, you excuse the guy holding on to someone's back and doing nothing but throwing baby knees=point fighting.

Did you even read the thread title?

 

[mkess101]

Trust me we're all well aware Khamzat gave zero fucks about whether it was exciting or not

Except you fail to understand that between the two guys in the cage, he's the one that SHOULD care less about it as the fight goes on because he's winning. You can barely get yourself to even mention Dricus and acknowledge that he made choices in there throughout the fight NOT to take chances to give himself a chance to win and not allow Khamzat to coast.

 

[markg171]

Lay and pray is about the stupidest shit for you brainlets to clutch onto. What exactly was he praying for, that DDP wouldn't get all 9's on the judges' scorecards? He absolutely emasculated his opponent. 15-0 with 12 finishes, 9 of which were in the first round. All those who doubted him have been crying during his meteoric rise is that he has no cardio. You talk about the Usman and Burns fights. If he gets the belt, he won't be an active champ. DDP and his coach say some absolutely ignorant shit in the leadup. So he said fuck you to all of you simultaneously. Went 5 rounds. Didn't gas out. Took DDP down. Kept DDP down. Won the belt without a scratch on him. Wants to defend his belt in Abu Dhabi in 2 months. Mental gymnastics to imply he is a point fighter are absolutely wild. Your creativity for excuses is really going to be put to the test because he isn't going anywhere. Cope & seethe, that's your MW champ...

You realize the 9s DDP got had nothing to do with Dricus and everything to do with how little of relevance Khamzat was doing right?

If you're winning by 500 strikes and 12 TDs but still only scoring 10-9 then yes, you must be laying and praying because those stats would otherwise usually warrant 10-8s and 10-7s if you were doing anything of note.

 

[markg171]

Except you fail to understand that between the two guys in the cage, he's the one that SHOULD care less about it as the fight goes on because he's winning. You can barely get yourself to even mention Dricus and acknowledge that he made choices in there throughout the fight NOT to take chances to give himself a chance to win and not allow Khamzat to coast.

He's welcome to not care if anybody's interested in watching his fights.

 

[mkess101]

He's welcome to not care if anybody's interested in watching his fights.

Except they will be. Maybe not you and a handful of other imbeciles but the arenas will still sell out and the $7.7b TV deal is still in place.

This is you pathetically clinging to "he's boring" because you don't like him. A guy who's finished 6 of 9 wins in the UFC and both other decisions had a ton of action.

 

[TrueBias]

I understand that DDP fans are hurt, but to refer to the fact that the fight was boring is extremely incorrect. Khamzat outclassed DDP in a way no one has ever dominated a fighter in a title fight. After all, this is not a fun contest.

Ddp fans? Were fight fans and yes fun is a requirement.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

UFC has always been entertainment first. That is just a fact that has been proven many times.

To you other comments -

Most sports has rules in place to make it less boring - Example is Basketball where you can only possess the ball for a limited amount of time before you must pass, shoot, or dribble. These time restrictions are crucial for maintaining a fast-paced game and preventing stalling tactics.
And in hockey stalling is penalized with a minor penalty (2 minutes in the box).

So if a hockey team is up by 3-0, they can't just stall - they have to play the game. In the UFC, if you are up on points, you can, as we saw, stall for 20 minutes.

And yes, people complain about boring fights when it is striking matches too. Look how much flack Strickland is taking for his jabbing style.

Also - There are already rules in place, both to make it less boring(breaking up stalemates/standing people up f.ex), and to make it safer. It is already "Bastardized".

I will end this by saying that I am not advocating for any specific changes to the rules, I just had to answer you because you are wrong on almost every point you made i.m.o.

Again your convoluting the idea of something being entertaining and something being entertainment UFC is a brand that wants to entertain you ...NBA is a sports League that wants to entertain you ...the sport of basketball can be entertaining but it's not the purpose of playing basketball just like MMA's purpose is not to entertain you it's to compete as a combat sport to find out who the best fighter is.

Not every super bowl is super exciting or close not every NHL final is closed not every NBA finals is closedor a good game sometimes it's a lopsided beating and it was never a close match or entertaining.. not every formula one race is decided by milliseconds


When that happens you don't start making changes because all the sudden it wasn't the most exciting thing on the earth that's just what happens in sports ...


Sports by the very nature are entertaining they don't need to be changed to have extra entertainment built in if you're not finding the sport entertaining as is then most likely it's not the right sport for you ....

I watch sumo wrestling for example but you couldn't pay me to watch a curling match..

Some sports are just not for everyone

 

[Oddmonster]

Again your convoluting the idea of something being entertaining and something being entertainment UFC is a brand that wants to entertain you ...NBA is a sports League that wants to entertain you ...the sport of basketball can be entertaining but it's not the purpose of playing basketball just like MMA's purpose is not to entertain you it's to compete as a combat sport to find out who the best fighter is.

Not every super bowl is super exciting or close not every NHL final is closed not every NBA finals is closedor a good game sometimes it's a lopsided beating and it was never a close match or entertaining.. not every formula one race is decided by milliseconds


When that happens you don't start making changes because all the sudden it wasn't the most exciting thing on the earth that's just what happens in sports ...


Sports by the very nature are entertaining they don't need to be changed to have extra entertainment built in if you're not finding the sport entertaining as is then most likely it's not the right sport for you ....

I watch sumo wrestling for example but you couldn't pay me to watch a curling match..

Some sports are just not for everyone

As I said - I haven't advocated for any rule changes. I am not sure if you are confusing me with someone else, or misread what I posted.

I will say that all the sports you mention, UFC included, has changed their rules for the specific purpose of being more entertaining.

Like it or not, UFC is a business. Their main focus is to get as many people to watch as possible, and they do that by having entertaining fights.

 

[mkess101]

Yes, when Dricus is locked in a position by Khamzat it's his fault nothing's happening from Dricus being locked in position by Khamzat.

Put this man on Hot Ones, we've got some spicy takes here.

Thanks for confirming you know nothing about the sport. When someone has a waist lock from behind you with no hooks, the fact that you think you are "locked into position" with no options...you're like the Old Faithful of ignorance.

Just one moronic post after another from you with no end in sight.

 

[mkess101]

Man somehow thinks the guy who's controlling the fight also isn't controlling the fight if it's boring.

It's quite... novel to say the least.

Because "controlling the fight" doesn't mean he's controlling the choices the other fighter makes.

Your faux smarmy attitude is quite the thin veil, little buddy. Trust me when I say you aren't hiding your cluelessness at all with it. In fact, it highlights how little you understand about what you're watching.

 

[pātrēärkē]

Except they will be. Maybe not you and a handful of other imbeciles but the arenas will still sell out and the $7.7b TV deal is still in place.

This is you pathetically clinging to "he's boring" because you don't like him. A guy who's finished 6 of 9 wins in the UFC and both other decisions had a ton of action.

Did you hear the arena? And they started out cheering for him

People will still buy tickets because there are other fights on a card that can have spinning elbow KO's. That still doesn't mean that people are not just tolerating the token wmma fight

 

[richardjohnson]

Yes, when Dricus is locked in a position by Khamzat it's his fault nothing's happening from Dricus being locked in position by Khamzat.

Put this man on Hot Ones, we've got some spicy takes here.

You realize they are competing, right? If your opponent has you locked in a position you don’t just let it happen and hope they give you a chance. You do what you can to get out, which Dricus barely even tried to do.

Criticizing Khamzat’s lack of aggression and urgency to finish is completely fair, but how can you not criticize DDP for just accepting the positions Khamzat put him in? The same positions that we see fighters get themselves out of all the time.

 

[mkess101]

Did you hear the arena? And they started out cheering for him

People will still buy tickets because there are other fights on a card that can have spinning elbow KO's. That still doesn't mean that people are not just tolerating the token wmma fight

Yes, I was there. There were boos and cheering mixed.

And if you think he won't headline his next card you're utterly clueless. You know the t shirts they sell for $40 at the events? Guess who they put on them? The main event fighters. Guess how many they sell? A shit ton. And they will at his next fight too, with him on the back of the shirt. Not Prates or someone else, Khamzat.

This has become the thing now that people who dislike him cling to: he's boring. Because in ONE of his NINE fights in the UFC he just wrestled and won that way. His other 8 fights he either destroyed his opponent or they had a shit ton of action. But because of this one fight where his opponent couldn't stop his wrestling but was good enough to stall and survive...nobody wants to see him fight anymore.

Can't make this shit up.

 

[mkess101]

You realize they are competing, right? If your opponent has you locked in a position you don’t just let it happen and hope they give you a chance. You do what you can to get out, which Dricus barely even tried to do.

Criticizing Khamzat’s lack of aggression and urgency to finish is completely fair, but how can you not criticize DDP for just accepting the positions Khamzat put him in? The same positions that we see fighters get themselves out of all the time.

These dolts act like it was Chimaev vs a tackling dummy that's incapable of moving or making choices during a fight. It's hard to grasp how they can be so lost.

 

[fortheo]

Except you fail to understand that between the two guys in the cage, he's the one that SHOULD care less about it as the fight goes on because he's winning. You can barely get yourself to even mention Dricus and acknowledge that he made choices in there throughout the fight NOT to take chances to give himself a chance to win and not allow Khamzat to coast.

Being exciting in MMA for most people means inflicting damage and working towards a finish. The winning fighter is in better position to do that. When you're losing by being completely controlled, you don't have the benefit of being able to be more exciting -- he was under khamzat's complete control. It's not like losing a striking match where the guy losing can go complete berserker and swing for the fences. Khamzat had DDP's shoulders pinned to the mat and had him completely controlled the majority of that fight. The only thing DDP could have done with his skillset to make that more exciting was stop defending submissions lol. When DDP was the one with more control, he went for the closest submission of the fight, he threw strikes on the feet, etc etc.

Again, Both of these guys deserve blame. Dricus for not being able to do shit, and Khamzat for coasting to a safe win. They both made that fight what it was.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

That literally makes no sense at all. The onus is on each fighter to try to win the fight. You can argue that DDP was trying to win for the first two rounds by waiting for Khamzat to gas, but at some point you have to try to either win rounds or get a finish, otherwise you're conceding the fight by not trying to win and you might as well quit on the stool.

Khamzat took the easy path to victory, which was boring, disappointing, smart, and entirely reasonable. DDP took the certain path to losing, which was boring, disappointing, utterly disgraceful, and cowardly. If you're going to concede a fight, have the dignity to tap out.

DDP was unable to get out from the control. Khamzat was in control and still chose to do nothing.

 

[mangokush]

Khamzat lived up to the nick name of "Borzzz" in that hugfest because it was extremely boring

Even the crowd who was on his side in the beginning was booing all that hugging

Khamzat fans who are defending that hugfest better keep up that same energy when other fighters in the UFC start doing that