It was Khamzat's fault the fight was boring, and that's OK if he only cares about winning

[pātrēärkē]

Or...DDP takes more chances during the fight so that literally his only chance to do anything doesn't come with 30 seconds to go in a 25 minute fight.

So the guy who is in a compromised position should take chances but the guy in the dominant position shouldn't take advantage of the position?

Usually in a fight, when one guy has the advantage they press that and the opponent covers up. DDP should have been the exception though...

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Did zero damage? You guys are blind. DDP's face doesn't look like that

Literally not what lay and pray is lol Sean Sherk fights were what lay and pray was

Nah bro having 37 out of almost 600 strikes be significant strikes during 21 min of control tells you exactly what it is. If all you can do with almost 600 strikes is bruise someone, that further proves my point.

He had 21 min of control in a 25 min fight. It’s obviously impressive he was able to totally humiliate DDP but the way he did it was awful and deserves to be criticized. It was textbook lay and pray, numbers don’t lie. Awful fight.

 

[mkess101]

Nice strawman. Nobody's disputing Khamzat can win any way he feels like doing so.

We're pointing out it's boring.

No, it's not a strawman because you're assessing blame on the wrong fighter. You're acting like the losing fighter doesn't have the responsibility to fight differently and FORCE the other guy to adjust. Was DDP not in the cage, choosing to just survive instead of taking chances to try to change how it was going?

 

[mkess101]

DDP played it correctly. He did the smart thing. Last the round give yourself a chance at the start of the next round. Dont get sloppy and caught in a random sub. Forget about trying to reverse and win a round. DDP has never been the type of fighter who cares about winning rounds. He's trying to finish. So even if he lost four 10-8 rounds, he still had a chance to finish in the 5th. Each round starts standing.


Now if DDP was under HEAVY fire and was worried the fight would be stopped, He might be forced to have to scramble out inorder to not get TKO'd. But he wasn't. So DDP made the intelligent decision. BOTH fighters made the intelligent decision.

That's one way to view it, but then the responsibility still lies with him when it comes to excitement. He's losing and continuing to do the same boring thing. The other guy is winning and doing a boring thing. Why would we think the guy who's winning should adjust? Unless we are saying winning and losing is irrelevant now?

 

[mkess101]

So the guy who is in a compromised position should take chances but the guy in the dominant position shouldn't take advantage of the position?

Usually in a fight, when one guys has the advantage they press that and the opponent covers up. DDP should have been the exception though...

Exception? What? Any fighter that's clearly winning...HOWEVER they are doing it...don't need to adjust what they're doing. Because...they're winning. I can't believe I need to type that. Yes, a fighter who's compromised needs to take chances IF winning the fight (or at least having a chance to) matters to him more than surviving.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

It's so funny that half the time I click "Show ignored content" it's chinarice making an utter drooling ass out of himself

btw

 

[richardjohnson]

Could Khamzat have taken more chances to try and finish the fight? Absolutely. But how can you watch that fight and not think that Dricus deserves at least some of the blame for the fight being uneventful? He mostly just accepted the positions Khamzat put him in and took very little chances trying to escape for fear of the submission. Both guys share blame here in my opinion.

I really think DDP’s game plan was based around Khamzat gassing out and when that didn’t happen he had no answers except survive.

 

[markg171]

No, it's not a strawman because you're assessing blame on the wrong fighter. You're acting like the losing fighter doesn't have the responsibility to fight differently and FORCE the other guy to adjust. Was DDP not in the cage, choosing to just survive instead of taking chances to try to change how it was going?

The losing fighter has a responsibility to make the winning fighter's strategy not boring?



I don't think you have any idea who's in control of the fight mate.

 

[mkess101]

The losing fighter has a responsibility to make the winning fighter's strategy not boring?



I don't think you have any idea who's in control of the fight mate.

I don't think you've ever fought or trained a day in your life. When you are losing, you still have choices to make in the cage. Are you truly so stupid as to not understand this?

 

[mma fighter]

If fighters don't like it, learn to counter it... Wrestling in MMA isn't new. I actually enjoy seeing a fighter totally shut down another guys game. Think about how bad that sucks psychologically. You are in there for 25min and can't do shit against this guy. That is either hugely motivating or will completely crush you. It will be interesting to see where DDP goes from here.

 

[JBJ was here]

It was on both, but more on Khamzat.Khamzat had the superior positioning and still didn't do anything. DDP was in a more vulnerable position so more logical that he has to be a bit more careful.

That literally makes no sense at all. The onus is on each fighter to try to win the fight. You can argue that DDP was trying to win for the first two rounds by waiting for Khamzat to gas, but at some point you have to try to either win rounds or get a finish, otherwise you're conceding the fight by not trying to win and you might as well quit on the stool.

Khamzat took the easy path to victory, which was boring, disappointing, smart, and entirely reasonable. DDP took the certain path to losing, which was boring, disappointing, utterly disgraceful, and cowardly. If you're going to concede a fight, have the dignity to tap out.

 

[pātrēärkē]

Exception? What? Any fighter that's clearly winning...HOWEVER they are doing it...don't need to adjust what they're doing. Because...they're winning. I can't believe I need to type that. Yes, a fighter who's compromised needs to take chances IF winning the fight (or at least having a chance to) matters to him more than surviving.

Perhaps if you read the complaints you wouldn't need to type that. No one said what he was doing wasn't working, every single complaint is that it's boring. And it's not as if plenty of other fighters don't press their advantage looking for a finish, Khamzat was content riding out the clock to a points win. Thus the criticism of the fight. I can't believe I needed to type that

 

[mkess101]

Perhaps if you read the complaints you wouldn't need to type that. No one said what he was doing wasn't working, every single complaint is that it's boring. And it's not as if plenty of other fighters don't press their advantage looking for a finish, Khamzat was content riding out the clock to a points win. Thus the criticism of the fight. I can't believe I needed to type that

Yes, and your boredom complaints should be directed at the guy who was losing and CHOSE to not take chances to change how the fight was going. If winning and losing still matters (and I think it does), if the entertainment value of a fight is lacking I'm logically gonna look to the guy who's losing to do something to turn the tide. He decided to accept survival but a sure loss with his in-fight strategy. And instead of realizing that was the problem, you blame the guy cruising to an easy win. It's moronic.

 

[markg171]

I don't think you've ever fought or trained a day in your life. When you are losing, you still have choices to make in the cage. Are you truly so stupid as to not understand this?

Yes, when Dricus was stuck in a crucifix it's totally his fault Khamzat was only love tappping him instead of loading up his strikes on such a defenceless opponent.

Fuck me this is a new level of cope never seen before on Sherdog.

 

[markg171]

Yes, and your boredom complaints should be directed at the guy who was losing and CHOSE to not take chances to change how the fight was going. If winning and losing still matters (and I think it does), if the entertainment value of a fight is lacking I'm logically gonna look to the guy who's losing to do something to turn the tide. He decided to accept survival but a sure loss with his in-fight strategy. And instead of realizing that was the problem, you blame the guy cruising to an easy win. It's moronic.

The guy who is actually winning and controlling the fight has NO bearing on the fight at all.

Great stuff chap, can't wait to read more.

 

[mkess101]

Yes, when Dricus was stuck in a crucifix it's totally his fault Khamzat was only love tappping him instead of loading up his strikes on such a defenceless opponent.

Fuck me this is a new level of cope never seen before on Sherdog.

You absolute retard. How about the long stretches where Khamzat had nothing but a rear waist lock with no hooks and Dricus just stayed there and did nothing?

Does it physically hurt you being so stupid?

 

[markg171]

You absolute retard. How about the long stretches where Khamzat had nothing but a rear waist lock with no hooks and Dricus just stayed there and did nothing?

Does it physically hurt you being so stupid?

Yes, when Dricus is locked in a position by Khamzat it's his fault nothing's happening from Dricus being locked in position by Khamzat.

Put this man on Hot Ones, we've got some spicy takes here.

 

[pātrēärkē]

Yes, and your boredom complaints should be directed at the guy who was losing and CHOSE to not take chances to change how the fight was going. If winning and losing still matters (and I think it does), if the entertainment value of a fight is lacking I'm logically gonna look to the guy who's losing to do something to turn the tide. He decided to accept survival but a sure loss with his in-fight strategy. And instead of realizing that was the problem, you blame the guy cruising to an easy win. It's moronic.

What's moronic is to admit that one guy was cruising, but he's not the one who was boring. No, the guy who when he was able to advance his position looked for a finish, it's all his fault that he wasn't able to get up sooner and make the fight more entertaining.

That's akin to saying that if there is a race, the guy in front cruising isn't at fault for making the race boring if no one can pass him. Most people watch races to see people drive fast, not cruise.

 

[mkess101]

The guy who is actually winning and controlling the fight has NO bearing on the fight at all.

Great stuff chap, can't wait to read more.

Who said he has "no bearing"? Holy shit you are breaking records for stupidity here. He's winning, so whether the fight is boring or not is secondary to him. The guy who's losing is the one who NEEDS to force excitement if giving himself a chance to win matters.

You just ooze idiocy. It's like being dumb is a job for you.

 

[mkess101]

What's moronic is to admit that one guy was cruising, but he's not the one who was boring. No, the guy who when he was able to advance his position looked for a finish, it's all his fault that he wasn't able to get up sooner and make the fight more entertaining.

That's akin to saying that if there is a race, the guy in front cruising isn't at fault for making the race boring if no one can pass him. Most people watch races to see people drive fast, not cruise.

There were numerous times where Dricus didn't even need to "get up". Khamzat just had a waist lock behind him and no hooks. Dricus stood there for minutes at a time and absorbed knees to his ass and did NOTHING. Do you really not understand that there are options for him there that are not accepting the position and waiting out the round? Tell me you don't follow this sport and not know this.