It was Khamzat's fault the fight was boring, and that's OK if he only cares about winning

[RockyLockridge]

“If you want exciting grappling, heavy GnP, and submissions, watch kickboxing.”

~ Sherdog

Khamzat is an incredible talent and a very exciting fighter overall. why can't people just admit he was a wet blanket who made a fight VERY boring just once? Why is it so hard for them???

Even silva fans can admit that Silva vs Maia is one of the most boring title fights of all time. It's Okay. but it's really funny to me that they can't be honest about it, it was a very boring, very safe title win. No critisim of it other than it was boring, But even that is enough to set them off.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Khamzat is an incredible talent and a very exciting fighter overall. why can't people just admit he was a wet blanket who made a fight VERY boring just once? Why is it so hard for them???

Even silva fans can admit that Silva vs Maia is one of the most boring title fights of all time. It's Okay. but it's really funny to me that they can't be honest about it, it was a very boring, very safe title win. No critisim of it other than it was boring, But even that is enough to set them off.

The next time any of those people say that any fight was boring for any reason, I’m arguing that they just didn’t understand what they were watching!

 

[balkanbomber85]

The next time any of those people say that any fight was boring for any reason, I’m arguing that they just didn’t understand what they were watching!

Just wait for the next Merab fight — the moment he wins, they’ll shamelessly start calling him boring again (and throw in that Umar “only lost a super close decision because he hurt his precious little hand”).

 

[FrankDux]

Lol the cope keeps coping.

It's so obvious TS and others are still butthurt their guy lost.

 

[Clark Rogers]

I mean isn't it kinda DDPs fault too for failing to do anything to stop it?

This place getting silly over this fight.

 

[mkess101]

I keep seeing this massive cognitive dissonance on these forums from Khamzat fans, so I want to make this point crystal clear:

1) Khamzat is perfectly within his rights in the current rules to lay and pray to a boring win, if DDP can't stop him.
2) However, it is still his fault the fight was boring, because he completely controlled the fight and refused to take risks to finish it.

This is a CLASSIC example of "You are free to make whatever choices you want, but you are not free from the consequences of your actions." Anyone that thinks otherwise is suffering from cognitive dissonance, because they don't want the boring fight to be Khamzat's fault.

No. The fighter that's LOSING has the responsibility to take risks to turn the tide.

Cognitive dissonance is acting like there was one guy fighting a robot that was programmed to simply not get finished. In fact, there was another human being in the cage that decided to "stay safe" when his opponent had a waist lock on him from behind numerous times for long stretches. Instead of exploding up or rolling for a kneebar or...ANYTHING, he chose to stay there and absorb knees to his ass for minutes at a time.

The guy winning the fight doesn't have the responsibility to change the trajectory, the guy losing the fight does. Yet...somehow that very simple concept has escaped a great many Sherdoggers.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Just wait for the next Merab fight — the moment he wins, they’ll shamelessly start calling him boring again (and throw in that Umar “only lost a super close decision because he hurt his precious little hand”).

Merab Beats O'malley: Merab is borring! if merab wins, We all lose.
Merab violates Umar: "actually, I rewatched the fight And Umar won 1,2,3 Shame Umar broke his hand and Merab cherry picked him while injured"
Merab beats O'malley again: "waste of a title fight, Not an important or signifcant win. Nothing like Islam beating a FW on 10 days notice, Or moicano on 24 hours notice. Those were legit"

Truly insufferable.

 

[mkess101]

I mean isn't it kinda DDPs fault too for failing to do anything to stop it?

This place getting silly over this fight.

Yes! Not "kinda" either.

Quite frankly, DDP taking risks likely would have gotten him finished. But the CHOICE to try to just survive was his.

 

[balkanbomber85]

Merab Beats O'malley: Merab is borring! if merab wins, We all lose.
Merab violates Umar: "actually, I rewatched the fight And Umar won 1,2,3 Shame Umar broke his hand and Merab cherry picked him while injured"
Merab beats O'malley again: "waste of a title fight, Not an important or signifcant win. Nothing like Islam beating a FW on 10 days notice, Or moicano on 24 hours notice. Those were legit"

Truly insufferable.

One could go on and on with this…

One of their guys beats someone by 2:1 rounds or 3:2 rounds, and it’s always called domination, emasculation, sonning, etc. When their guy loses the same way, it’s always a “super close fight” that can be debated as a robbery. Easily the most irritating, manipulative, and shameless “fanbase” we’ve ever had — and probably ever will have. All because their main interest isn’t the fighters themselves, but their religious background. Dishonesty at its finest, driven by a clear agenda and narrative.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Yes! Not "kinda" either.

Quite frankly, DDP taking risks likely would have gotten him finished. But the CHOICE to try to just survive was his.

They both made choices that lead to a boring fight.

but the onus to turn things around was on dricus. IMO dricus made the right decisions. At the start of each round and anytime he got seperation he tried to do something and that was the strategy. Scramble and get finished or see the start of the next round and try to make something happen. the latter is the better option for him. But it lead to a boring fight. Staying the corse was the better option for khamzat. But it lead to a boring fight. Both men did everything they could to win, While minimizng the risk of defeat

 

[RockyLockridge]

One could go on and on with this…

One of their guys beats someone by 2:1 rounds or 3:2 rounds, and it’s always called domination, emasculation, sonning, etc. When their guy loses the same way, it’s always a “super close fight” that can be debated as a robbery. Easily the most irritating, manipulative, and shameless “fanbase” we’ve ever had — and probably ever will have. All because their main interest isn’t the fighters themselves, but their religious background. Dishonesty at its finest, driven by a clear agenda and narrative.

Im very glad that I have an independent brain that thinks for itself. I'm jamican, but no one on sherdog shits on leon edwards more than me. He's a lame, boring fighter who has narcoleptic episodes mid fight. He has an even more lame and boring personality. I'm not going to pretend that everything he does is great because he, Like me, Is Jamaican.

 

[chinarice]

100% certain Khamzat would've received yellow cards for stalling if this fight was in Pride FC. You can't tell me that Khamzat was actually trying hard to finish this fight. He can go way harder than he did. He cruised to victory which is his right to do in UFC, but it's on him that the fight was boring.

You can't tell me DDP tried his hardest to get out of the positions. I mean you can but you'd be lying.

It was on DDP to change the course of the fight he was losing and he wasn't willing to take the necessary risks because he was afraid of getting caught.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

You can't tell me DDP tried his hardest to get out of the positions. I mean you can but you'd be lying.

It was on DDP to change the course of the fight he was losing and he wasn't willing to take the necessary risks because he was afraid of getting caught.

It was on both, but more on Khamzat.Khamzat had the superior positioning and still didn't do anything. DDP was in a more vulnerable position so more logical that he has to be a bit more careful.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

It was on both, but more on Khamzat.Khamzat had the superior positioning and still didn't do anything. DDP was in a more vulnerable position so more logical that he has to be a bit more careful.

How about DDP learns takedown defense, learn how to get into guard, learn how to get a two on one while being blanketed, learn how to avoid a crucifix, and honestly, learn how to grapple in general?

 

[balkanbomber85]

I mean, if it’s DDP’s “fault” that the fight was boring, that implies he could have made it more interesting by scrambling and even escaping — which in turn means Kamzat’s dominance only existed because DDP allowed it. So it was a fake dominance, not the most dominant performance we’ve ever seen.

You can’t have it both ways, dear bathtubbers — it’s either one or the other.​

 

[chinarice]

It was on both, but more on Khamzat.Khamzat had the superior positioning and still didn't do anything. DDP was in a more vulnerable position so more logical that he has to be a bit more careful.

Why does Khamzat have to be less careful on the premise he's winning the fight?

 

[Streeter]

Khamzat fought to try and get a quick win in first then fought not to lose rest of fight and just control him . DDP helped him by not making him work for positions early he just accepted it allowing Khsmzat to not spend much energy . Had DDP made hi. Work more it would have been more stsnd up

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Why does Khamzat have to be less careful on the premise he's winning the fight?

The spirit of the fight is to do damage / submit the other person. Not to lay on top of them for 5 rounds. Pride FC understood this. That's why you couldn't win a fight by holding someone on the ground and doing nothing.

Edit: and the question wasn't whether he should take risk. The question was whether he can be blamed for the fight being boring. To which the answer is an obvious yes.

 

[RockyLockridge]

How about DDP learns takedown defense, learn how to get into guard, learn how to get a two on one while being blanketed, learn how to avoid a crucifix, and honestly, learn how to grapple in general?

DDP is a top 3 grappler at MW

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

DDP is a top 3 grappler at MW

Immaterial for this fight, what I watched with my eyeballs was really quite unbelievable. I understand Khamzat is a difficult animal, but DDP seemed to completely forget about entering guard and making Khamzat work from any position other than a crucifix. His thought process during the fight was horrific, because after round two, and certainly by the end of round three, he should have realized that his entire approach to being on the ground was incorrect.

Edit: And I was rooting hard for DDP, hard. I'm cutting him no slack on this one. His grappling was atrocious.