It’s crazy how much Jon Jones is ahead of everyone as GOAT

[Ramon Antonio]

@Ramon Antonio lol at those cans

Noguiera and Crocop were top level fighters. It's like saying Anderson was never great because he lost to Adesanya, Bisping, Weidman etc., but you're a white belt, so you don't understand.

 

[fzoid4454]

That's an opinion.

No, if it was an opinion, the word "FACT" in all-caps would have been in there somewhere.

 

[OmegaRugal]

He is without question the GOAT*

 

[Talkingtom]

@Ramon Antonio pride cant be compared. Pride fighters got their drugs from gym rats and druggies. Fedor got his from government labs. He had the best gear. That's why he shit his pants when he had to fight Lesnar clean.

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

Jones is certainly not "far and away" the GOAT.

He's in the cluster at the top of the list, where reasonable people can argue probably 3-4 fighters.

 

[cyrusthevyrus]

Backed by factual statements and science

yes, USADA and police reports. you are right

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Not a huge Jon’s fan, but his skills, resume, and physical tools cannot be argued.

Now what’s propelled him to successfully be the best fighter for the last decade cannot be over looked, every fight he hasn’t been “pulsing” he’s looked very beatable, especially against blown up 185 pounders. He just hasn’t lost...yet, and maybe won’t for years to come, IMO fathertime and lack of supps will be JBJ undoing. Specifically though like many that have had that aura shattered, I think finally losing will have a profound negative impact on Jones career.

 

[LikeItIs]

Toner GSP streak +2.

 

[thobra]

-never been decisioned, KO’d, or subbed
-never tapped to strikes or submissions even when TRTvitor broke his arm in round 1
-Undefeated in Championship fights
-beat HW champions from 3 major organizations
-youngest UFC champ at age 23 (not counting a tournament winner Vitor in the early ufc days)
-fights 220+ lb fighters who are much more dangerous than weight classes like bw-ww
-out strikes Muay Thai fighters, out-wrestles olympians
-parties hard with drinking/bud/coke and still beats his opponents

GOAT
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We all love Jones. He is a great fighter. If he just beat a few guys at HW, he would go straight into the top 3 goat rankings.

 

[Poids Moyen]

NOBODY IS THE GOAT

 

[Iron Nick]

I can see the argument for people claiming Anderson Silva's positive tests not meaning too much since his legendary win streak was during an era where the use of PEDs was most certainly way more prevalent, but to shrug it off when a fighter repeatedly pops during the USADA-era just tells you everything you need to know.

Cue the "counter-argument" that people who say Jones isn't the greatest of all time are just "salty and in denial".

 

[DagOban**]

Fedor is GOAT.

But if there is someone who can topple him, it's Jones. He has to continue dominating his own weightclass for a few more years without popping and he will become GOAT.

 

[eighterumg5]

-never been decisioned, KO’d, or subbed
-never tapped to strikes or submissions even when TRTvitor broke his arm in round 1
-Undefeated in Championship fights
-beat HW champions from 3 major organizations
-youngest UFC champ at age 23 (not counting a tournament winner Vitor in the early ufc days)
-fights 220+ lb fighters who are much more dangerous than weight classes like bw-ww
-out strikes Muay Thai fighters, out-wrestles olympians
-parties hard with drinking/bud/coke and still beats his opponents

GOAT
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Most failed tests in UFC history too. Dont forget that " accomplishment"

 

[kalabula]

Him or GSP. If “out of cage” antics are taken into account, however...

 

[kflo]

Being able to pulse for PEDs should eliminate him from the GOAT discussion. One failed test, meh, sweep it under the rug but multiple AND pulsing? Hell nah.

GSP and Fedor fought tougher opponents.

why does "pulsing" itself matter?

 

[kflo]

Lost to Santos and Gus
Has been fighting MWs for half of his career.
Now he is fighting MWs and journeymen.
Is afraid to move to HW, has been speaking about it for half a decade.
Pictogram is now part of urban dictionary.
Dirty fighter who uses eye pokes, oblique kicks and shoulder cranks.
Never been the smaller fighter in his whole career, Dhalsims everbody he's ever fought.

You are right about this:

the narrative that smith and santos are mw's is fuckin absurd. you idiots think rumble is a ww....

lol at oblique kicks and shoulder cranks being dirty....

 

[kflo]

Most failed tests in UFC history too. Dont forget that " accomplishment"

he's failed 2 tests. one of which an arbitration panel determined he didn't intentionally cheat.

 

[IIIIIIII]

-never been decisioned, KO’d, or subbed
-never tapped to strikes or submissions even when TRTvitor broke his arm in round 1
-Undefeated in Championship fights
-beat HW champions from 3 major organizations
-youngest UFC champ at age 23 (not counting a tournament winner Vitor in the early ufc days)
-fights 220+ lb fighters who are much more dangerous than weight classes like bw-ww
-out strikes Muay Thai fighters, out-wrestles olympians
-parties hard with drinking/bud/coke and still beats his opponents

GOAT
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is afraid of heavyweights. thread fail.

 

[Perrichet]

-never been decisioned, KO’d, or subbed
-never tapped to strikes or submissions even when TRTvitor broke his arm in round 1
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This alone rules Anderson out.

He's not even close to being the GOAT using your reasoning. What a shame

 

[Rvd Slmr]

he's failed 2 tests. one of which an arbitration panel determined he didn't intentionally cheat.

You say that as if he didn't get 27 months of combined PED suspensions.