International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

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Key statements from Iran-Europe nuclear talks in Geneva.

EU: We agreed to continue open talks with Iran and to discuss more than just nuclear issues.

France: Iran's support for terrorist groups, its support for Russia via drones and Western prisoners are problems for us. We expect Iran to be ready for dialogue, including with the US, to find a negotiated solution to this crisis. There is no military solution to the Iranian nuclear issue.

Britain: We are committed to continuing the ongoing talks with Iran.

Germany: It is important that the US is involved in further talks and the search for a solution.

Iran: We need urgent action. Otherwise, the entire system of international law based on the UN will be eroded and collapse. Iran is ready to consider diplomatic options, but its defense capabilities are not negotiable. The nuclear program is peaceful and is under IAEA control.
That the US is so absent from these talks at this point is a damning indictment of America's retreat as a global power under Trump.
 
North Korea having nuclear weapons has led them to serve as a useful buffer zone. China would absolutely not tolerate US forces stationed in a unified Korea that directly borders them. It's also let us put off a massive humanitarian crisis that would drop South Korea's economic performance drastically.

If you're going to assess all the possibilities, you have to consider all the tradeoffs, not just nukes are bad.

lmao
 
As an American, would you rather have the current status quo or China and the US having forces directly abutting each other on a heavily militarized border, and the resulting tensions?

Hint, ask yourself why China entered the Korean War.
 
As an American, would you rather have the current status quo or China and the US having forces directly abutting each other on a heavily militarized border, and the resulting tensions?

If Korea was unified there would be no need to station US troops there.

The entire reason US troops are stationed there is because a belligerent nuclear armed cult has thousands of munitions pointed at Seoul.
 
It's affected my company for sure - we already have a moratorium on trading through the Suez Canal as well as Black Sea, and now our management issued a directive earlier this week for the Middle East up to just north of Kandla (India) - basically on the border to Pakistan. It's a significant chunk of the earth that we can't send our vessels to. Proposition 301 also had a significant effect on tonnage, specifically of container operators, into the US - essentially ships that can carry 4,000 TEU (twenty foot equivalents) and above will be subject to the additional fees come middle of October - this means that the many big operators are changing their fleet strategy, engaging smaller container vessels on a trade that typically were on the Asia/US trade. Those larger vessels have to go somewhere else which will obviously have an impact on whichever tradelane they are now attached to. Our company was NOT affected by proposition 301 thankfully, though two competitors of ours who are operated by Chinese entities, are affected, despite falling within the sizes/tonnage that is exempt. I don't believe for one second that this administration will not change goal posts when they realize the 'income' earned from these fines will be a drop in the bucket of what is needed to kickstart US ship building again.

As for insurance, besides regions that are considered no-go by our management, normally you just pay a premium on war risk or kidnap/ransom premiums depending on the area. The premium depends on the severity of the region or the likelihood the vessel/crew is exposed to danger. Typically our customers (we are not in the container trade) foot the bill for these premiums.

We also bid on military cargoes and there is a lot of movement now within the Pacific as well as the Atlantic - it appears to me they are busy mobilizing equipment to places nearby for quicker deployment. I recall this happening in 01/02 when suddenly Uncle Sam became very active in repositioning their equipment closer to the Middle East.

Awesome, thanks for the info. 👍
I was wondering if there were any ship movements to match all the plane movements in the past week, looks like there are which is not a good sign.
 
If Korea was unified there would be no need to station US troops there.

The entire reason US troops are stationed there is because a belligerent nuclear armed cult has thousands of munitions pointed at Seoul.
The reason we have troops stationed there is to maintain a foothold in the region. South Korea has had the ability to stomp North Korea in conventional warfare since the 80s.

Fact of the matter is that the current situation benefits China and the US most. They get a buffer state and they get to avoid having to decide what a unified Korea looks like. No one -- South Korea, North Korea, China, and US -- really wants the situation to change or war to break out.

The fact that you're arguing the US would magically leave Korea is it was unified is devoid of reality. Look at all the countries we still maintain bases in.
 
The reason we have troops stationed there is to maintain a foothold in the region. South Korea has had the ability to stomp North Korea in conventional warfare since the 80s.

Fact of the matter is that the current situation benefits China and the US most. They get a buffer state and they get to avoid having to decide what a unified Korea looks like. No one -- South Korea, North Korea, China, and US -- really wants the situation to change or war to break out.

The fact that you're arguing the US would magically leave Korea is it was unified is devoid of reality. Look at all the countries we still maintain bases in.

This fan fiction of yours is ignoring a key part that a unified Korea implies a non-nuclear China was also defeated on the battlefield.
 
This fan fiction of yours is ignoring a key part that a unified Korea implies a non-nuclear China was also defeated on the battlefield.
What are you talking about? What you call fan fiction is literally reality.

I don't think anyone wants to see two nuclear powers sharing a border, and China would absolutely see a unified Korea as a US pawn.
 
What are you talking about? What you call fan fiction is literally reality.

I don't think anyone wants to see two nuclear powers sharing a border, and China would absolutely see a unified Korea as a US pawn.

Lmao

Do you even know that happened in the Korean war?
 
Lmao

Do you even know that happened in the Korean war?
As I mentioned China intervened because it felt its interests ans sovereignty were threatened. That's a scenario that the current status quo avoids, and worth keeping in mind when you argue that North Korea having nuclear weapons is the worst possible outcome.
 
Dude we get those requests all the time. And they almost always get brought to the Mod booth where things are discussed. Common procedure, and hearing out someone's case doesnt depend on their political leanings despite what the resident conspiratards with victim complexes want to believe.

First time I'm hearing that was even an option. Every time I got Dubbed, I'd tell the Mod who gave me them if I thought he was wrong. I didn't contact any other Mods.
 
As I mentioned China intervened because it felt its interests ans sovereignty were threatened. That's a scenario that the current status quo avoids, and worth keeping in mind when you argue that North Korea having nuclear weapons is the worst possible outcome.

Lmao
 

Its not that i oppose toppling Iran, but not trusting the intel from your intel chef is worrying anyway you put it


It couldn’t be more obvious that the administration is spewing a bunch of nonsense to justify a regime change war.

Articles and segments from throughly discredited news agencies who lied about Iraq and Iraqi nuclear weapons are somehow still able to convince their audience that it’s the right idea to do it all again. Some people will apparently believe anything.

It’s a sad state of affairs, when folks who fancy themselves intelligent can be swindled repeatedly with such little effort. How many people will have to die this time, I wonder…
 
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