International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[MrShady]

As long as we don't do stupid shit.

Famous last words.

Warhawks neocons incompetent cabinet members everywhere....lol good night irene

 

[syct23]

Famous last words.

Warhawks neocons incompetent cabinet members everywhere....lol good night irene

SOON…

 

[oldshadow]

Famous last words.

Warhawks neocons incompetent cabinet members everywhere....lol good night irene

Stupid is trying to bring democery or putting troops in.

I hope Trump is not that dumb and I believe he is against that.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

to not have it sabotaged by bunker buster bombs?

btw, you keep using that 0.5 mile measure and it's wrong. It's 80 to 100 meters... in miles it's more like 0.05

I’m going off mossad reports which have cited it being that deep but there hasn’t been verification

Legit states using nuclear for power production have no need to hide their facilities in this manner

 

[San Marino]

Iran Just Fired a Giant Khorramshahr-4 Missile at Tel Aviv​

MSN

 

[Strychnine]

Zionist or any iteration thereof is not allowed for use on this site. Points, thread bans, and actual permabans going forward.

If wish to talk about the Israeli government/people, then use Israeli. People WILL get your meaning.

This matter is now closed.

 

[Jeffy37]

Look at you crying to mom and dad lol. Typical victim mentality.

Because Iraq invaded Kuwait = Bush Cheney Netanyahu get to lie and fool people into believing he has WMDs lol.

There's no point going back and forth with you. You'll call me some names and I'll just laugh and realize I'm talking to a brick wall who cannot be reasoned with.

There's so much historical context you're leaving out it's impossible to have an actual dialog with you.

Lets just agree to disagree and you call me an idiot or unhinged or whatever and move on.

So you understand finally why someone would handle Iraq as a threat years later regardless right or wrong on the USA second war with them.

 

[helltoupee]

LMFAO, I love the somersaults Iran apologists do to pretend Iran hasn't been actively working towards building a nuclear bomb despite being humiliated with bombshell headlines over and over the past 10 years revealing, no, in fact, everything the Israelis has alleged is true.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-conflict-06-18-25-intl-hnk

First, they denied Natanz existed at all. By 2003, they admitted it did.

Then, they insisted they didn't enrich uranium at all beyond 3.5%. Swore that to Obama in 2012 & 2013. Then, in 2015, they admitted they were enriching to 4.5%, after all.

Despite that, they said there was no reason they'd ever go above 5%. Said they weren't violating any deal. But it was later revealed they were enriching up to 20% as early as 2010 for "research-based reactors" in Tehran, and already has at least 3,500kg of that grade. Uh...what are you "researching" if you don't need higher than 3.5% for nuclear energy plants, LOL?

Now, we know they're capable of up to 60% at these facilities. They're marching their way up to 90%. Time to eliminate the facilities completely. Go Israel.

 

[syct23]

Hahahaha,

*clinks glass

 

[MrShady]

So you understand finally why someone would handle Iraq as a threat years later regardless right or wrong on the USA second war with them.

Yeah totally justified the second invasion Bush Cheney Netanyahu didn't even have to lie about the WMDs they could've just said hey guys they invaded Kuwait so we're good to go in.

Makes sense.

 

[filthybliss]

I mean pretty obviously the alternatives to American leadership are abysmal. I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion given the available options.

Yeah, I would rather have a liberal democracy remain the global hedgemoney than autocratic regimes like China or Russia. We are on the same page there. I am just uncomfortable with biting off the Snakes Head in Iran which will inevitably lead to a civil war.

 

[syct23]

Hahahaha,

*clinks glass

This is how rumors start..

 

[Jeffy37]

Yeah totally justified the second invasion Bush Cheney Netanyahu didn't even have to lie about the WMDs they could've just said hey guys they invaded Kuwait so we're good to go in.

Makes sense.

I didn't justify anything. You are missing the point like usual because you are so stuck in your mindset that can't think

 

[MrShady]

I didn't justify anything. You are missing the point like usual because you are so stuck in your mindset that can't think

The point is you don't know what you're talking about and this is way bigger than you can conceptualize.

I feel embarrassed going back and forth with you. It's clear you drank the American FoxNews kool-aid so your world view and dogma is shaped and crystallized by that alone.

Yes Iraq invaded Kuwait. There is so much complexity behind that American response that I'd be wasting my time trying to explain it to you.

What you don't want to hear is in some cases US officials were giving the green light for Saddam to invade. What you dont want to hear is Iraq was a puppet state of the US in that specific time period (to counter Iran's influence).

In conclusion, I'll say that if you supported or fought in the second Iraq war because you felt justified by the actions of the first Iraq war, then I guess you also don't blame Bush Cheney or Netanyahu. And if you don't blame those 3 individuals for the second Iraq war, and the slaughter of millions of people, you are a lost cause.

And if you do blame those individuals, then why the fuck are you trusting Netanyahu or holding him to any credibility when it comes to that region. He can tell you Iran has a nuclear weapon till the cows come home. I don't believe him and neither should you.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Hmmm, seeing reports of an “earthquake”, 5.2, outside Tehran, where there is a space and missile facility or something?

I am only seeing reposts of a headline, anyone got more info?

Edit: an area called Semnan?

 

[Rational Poster]

Yeah, I would rather have a liberal democracy remain the global hedgemoney than autocratic regimes like China or Russia. We are on the same page there. I am just uncomfortable with biting off the Snakes Head in Iran which will inevitably lead to a civil war.

Is a potential, not guaranteed, civil war actually a worse option to the current regime maintaining its hold, eventually developing nuclear weapons and entrenching itself indefinitely like in North Korea?

There's a range of possibilities that could occur, it doesn't mean the worst one will.

 

[Badr Hari]

Hmmm, seeing reports of an “earthquake”, 5.2, outside Tehran, where there is a space and missile facility or something?

I am only seeing reposts of a headline, anyone got more info?

Edit: an area called Semnan?

Saw the reports from Semnan too, looks like a regular earthquake, shaky earth those regions

 

[avenue94]

Is a potential, not guaranteed, civil war actually a worse option to the current regime maintaining its hold, eventually developing nuclear weapons and entrenching itself indefinitely like in North Korea?

There's a range of possibilities that could occur, it doesn't mean the worst one will.

North Korea having nuclear weapons has led them to serve as a useful buffer zone. China would absolutely not tolerate US forces stationed in a unified Korea that directly borders them. It's also let us put off a massive humanitarian crisis that would drop South Korea's economic performance drastically.

If you're going to assess all the possibilities, you have to consider all the tradeoffs, not just nukes are bad.

 

[Badr Hari]

Key statements from Iran-Europe nuclear talks in Geneva.

EU: We agreed to continue open talks with Iran and to discuss more than just nuclear issues.

France: Iran's support for terrorist groups, its support for Russia via drones and Western prisoners are problems for us. We expect Iran to be ready for dialogue, including with the US, to find a negotiated solution to this crisis. There is no military solution to the Iranian nuclear issue.

Britain: We are committed to continuing the ongoing talks with Iran.

Germany: It is important that the US is involved in further talks and the search for a solution.

Iran: We need urgent action. Otherwise, the entire system of international law based on the UN will be eroded and collapse. Iran is ready to consider diplomatic options, but its defense capabilities are not negotiable. The nuclear program is peaceful and is under IAEA control.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Question for you while you're here - are you seeing anything unusual in global shipping which would point to something big going down in the near future? Any changes in ship routing, insurance rates, or which country's ships have suddenly changed course or started avoiding certain areas?

It's affected my company for sure - we already have a moratorium on trading through the Suez Canal as well as Black Sea, and now our management issued a directive earlier this week for the Middle East up to just north of Kandla (India) - basically on the border to Pakistan. It's a significant chunk of the earth that we can't send our vessels to. Proposition 301 also had a significant effect on tonnage, specifically of container operators, into the US - essentially ships that can carry 4,000 TEU (twenty foot equivalents) and above will be subject to the additional fees come middle of October - this means that the many big operators are changing their fleet strategy, engaging smaller container vessels on a trade that typically were on the Asia/US trade. Those larger vessels have to go somewhere else which will obviously have an impact on whichever tradelane they are now attached to. Our company was NOT affected by proposition 301 thankfully, though two competitors of ours who are operated by Chinese entities, are affected, despite falling within the sizes/tonnage that is exempt. I don't believe for one second that this administration will not change goal posts when they realize the 'income' earned from these fines will be a drop in the bucket of what is needed to kickstart US ship building again.

As for insurance, besides regions that are considered no-go by our management, normally you just pay a premium on war risk or kidnap/ransom premiums depending on the area. The premium depends on the severity of the region or the likelihood the vessel/crew is exposed to danger. Typically our customers (we are not in the container trade) foot the bill for these premiums.

We also bid on military cargoes and there is a lot of movement now within the Pacific as well as the Atlantic - it appears to me they are busy mobilizing equipment to places nearby for quicker deployment. I recall this happening in 01/02 when suddenly Uncle Sam became very active in repositioning their equipment closer to the Middle East.