International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

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Here's a great summation from Al Jazeera.

In his June 10 testimony, Kurilla claimed that if Iran were to decide to “sprint to a nuclear weapon”, it had enough stockpiles and centrifuges to produce up to 25kg (55lb) of weapons-grade uranium in “roughly one week” and enough to build up to 10 weapons in three weeks.
 
Man, both are lying scumbags so it’s likely one or both is full of shit. I’m betting both.

I don't think the claim was that Trump didn't call him. But that Trump either lied or misremembered the date they actually talked by several days.

A sundowning moment.
 
How heavy do you think this warhead would be? And what would its delivery system be?
Do you think manufacturing a delivery system requires waiting for the uranium to be weapons grade? Do you think they were enriching uranium to weapons grade for kicks?
 

Holy shit, the way the word "failure" was pronounced is spot on for his delivery
Designing and manufacturing a nuclear weapon is not the same thing as enriching uranium to 60%. Everybody already knew Iran had enriched uranium. Literally nothing had changed except Israel found it politically and logistically convenient to attack now.

Yea they enriched it to 60% as a bargaining tool only after the Natanz nuclear facility was attacked on 04/11/21. Not only was their commercial nuclear facility sabotaged in 2021, they've been facing heavier sanctions since Trump pulled out of the deal in 2018. They only enriched to 60% so they could use it as a bargaining tool to ease sanctions.

1. You need uranium to be enriched to 90% for it to be weapons capable.
2. Iran does not have any delivery method or warhead to even do a nuclear strike.
3. Iran is not working on any technology to weaponize uranium for a weapon nor is it clear they have the advanced technical ability to do so. They're literally years away if they actually tried.

You want to desperately frame it as "OMG they're on the precipice of a nuclear weapon!!"

When that is obviously not true.

And you know that as well because you're not stupid. So stop lying. You're just on the pro-Israeli side so you're just making excuses for an unjustified attack.

You want to purposefully simplify it to "they have enriched uranium to 60% so they're gonna get nukes!!" relying on people not knowing anything or any of the details.

No one believes this gaslighting bullshit. This isn't the early 2000's when they successfulyy lied about Iraq WMD's. Most of the world knows it's BS - even a huge chunk of Trump's MAGA base.



And how long does it take for Iran to design and manufacture a warhead and delivery method that can deliver a nuclear explosion?
Legit question here a la @Deorum ITT, why do you think Iran has built a high level enrichment facility in a granite mountain and going to 60%? What are the possibilities for enriching 12 times higher than needed for energy uses?
 
I don't deny Trump has a major roll in exacerbating things, but the JCPOA is not the only treaty regarding nuclear weapons they are beholden to. They signed the NPT, they are a member of the IEAE.

What kind of clown logic is this?

In order to remove sanctions Iran started to do the thing the sanctioning countries did not want them to do. lmao

1. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty does not prohibit uranium enrichment.

2. There was zero indication the US was going to remove sanctions so why does Iran have to abide by anything?

lol.

The leverage they have to get rid of sanctions might be to stop sponsoring terrorism across the region? Could that work?

A great way to get leverage would surely be to enhance uranium to weapons grade…..that was definitely the right strategy……

Iran's use of proxies in combating Israel has nothing to do with nukes.

The entire point if Israel attacking is "ZOMG they're on the verge of nukes in a week!! The US must attack!!!"

The same bullshit they've been saying for literally decades. So stay on topic.
 
Do you think manufacturing a delivery system requires waiting for the uranium to be weapons grade? Do you think they were enriching uranium to weapons grade for kicks?
Manufacturing a delivery system is no easy feat. You're the one arguing Iran was approaching a point of no return, which requires both nuclear waerhead and viable delivery system. We've seen neither yet.

That's why I asked: A first generation nuclear warhead, what weight and design do you think it would be?
 
@kflo i'm hearing trump doesn't want a prolonged war in the middle east, he wants to hit fordow to destruction and get out of it... he is not convinced 100% it will work although people in Pentagon say they believe it will

What do you think, can the bombers end forever Iran's nuclear capabilities in a short special operation? What if Iran has parallel facilities in secret and has done clandestine enrichment elsewhere? Do you think if it becomes physically impossible to stop this process of Iran building a nuclear bomb, we have to find a way to live with the fact that Iran has a nuclear bomb? We don't have a problem with Pakistan having 200.

Are you for a special operation which Trump wants or for a ground invasion of Iran which guarantees it won't get to a bomb later? Don't forget Russia second world superpower started a half assed war on their backyard recently and got embarrased only because elite back home doesn't want life disrupted. Airstrikes only don't guarantee success and can long term even be taken as weakness on our side by the enemy. I am against intervention in this case because it has been initiated by a genocidal regime itself but damn it if the decision is made to go, I would suggest we better go at it all in double of Vietnam regardless of pushback home.
 
1. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty does not prohibit uranium enrichment.

2. There was zero indication the US was going to remove sanctions so why does Iran have to abide by anything?



Iran's use of proxies in combating Israel has nothing to do with nukes.
wtf?
The entire point if Israel attacking is "ZOMG they're on the verge of nukes in a week!! The US must attack!!!"
They were caught with near weapons grade uranium that could get to weapons grade in days.
The same bullshit they've been saying for literally decades. So stay on topic.
So you’re saying they’ve been caught with near weapons grade uranium for decades? Or just now?
 
1. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty does not prohibit uranium enrichment.

2. There was zero indication the US was going to remove sanctions so why does Iran have to abide by anything?



Iran's use of proxies in combating Israel has nothing to do with nukes.

The entire point if Israel attacking is "ZOMG they're on the verge of nukes in a week!! The US must attack!!!"

The same bullshit they've been saying for literally decades. So stay on topic.

If Iran was under no obligation why did the IEAE sanction their activity?

 
wtf?

They were caught with near weapons grade uranium that could get to weapons grade in days.

So you’re saying they’ve been caught with near weapons grade uranium for decades? Or just now?

You need 90% enrichment for it to be weapons grade plus a nuclear warhead that can accept it plus missile technology that can deliver it.

All three of those things were not present.

So you can try to exaggerate all you want but the claim Iran is days away from a nuclear weapon is a complete and utter lie and easily disproven.

If Iran was under no obligation why did the IEAE sanction their activity?


1. The IEAE did not sanction Iran.
2. All they did was pass a resolution saying Iran did not fully cooperate with IAEA investigations recently.

None of that justifies an unprovoked military attack which hinges on the OBVIOUSLY FALSE claim - "They on the precipice of a nuclear weapon!!"

Literally none of this would have happened if Trump didn't pull out of the JCPOA deal. And even though you know it's true (because you're not dumb) you don't want to admit:

1. Iran is nowhere close to a nuclear weapon nor were they trying to build one.
2. The US is being pulled into military conflict and a possible regime change war at the behest of Israel.
3. The only reason this is happening now is because it is militarily and politically convenient for Israel right now and they feel they can get away with it with Trump at the moment.

The Iranian proxies in Lebanon and Syria have been neutered, Russia is in no position to help due to Ukraine, etc.

Not because of any immediate nuke danger that they keep lying about.
 
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Cheney was the most powerful Vice-President in US history. Rumsfeld was a brilliant Secretary of Defense. Unlike Hegseth who is a complete sack-of-shit. Trump is already looking for a replacement. Cheney and Rumsfeld together made Bush invade Iraq. Both men also ran the White House. Bush was too stupid on matters of foreign policy. Actually, he was stupid, period. The opposite of his dad. Iraq did have WMDs, just not nuclear as Powell claimed. Hussein should really have been left in power. We would not be in this mess if he was running Iraq against Iran. ...but the US military fucks up, again, and thousands of soldiers are killed for nothing. A US war with Iran would be another never ending war. We Americans, or should I say, the US leadership and military does not learn from history. Americans have not won a war since 1945.
 
@kflo i'm hearing trump doesn't want a prolonged war in the middle east, he wants to hit fordow to destruction and get out of it... he is not convinced 100% it will work although people in Pentagon say they believe it will

What do you think, can the bombers end forever Iran's nuclear capabilities in a short special operation? What if Iran has parallel facilities in secret and has done clandestine enrichment elsewhere? Do you think if it becomes physically impossible to stop this process of Iran building a nuclear bomb, we have to find a way to live with the fact that Iran has a nuclear bomb? We don't have a problem with Pakistan having 200.

Are you for a special operation which Trump wants or for a ground invasion of Iran which guarantees it won't get to a bomb later? Don't forget Russia second world superpower started a half assed war on their backyard recently and got embarrased only because elite back home doesn't want life disrupted. Airstrikes only don't guarantee success and can long term even be taken as weakness on our side by the enemy. I am against intervention in this case because it has been initiated by a genocidal regime itself but damn it the decision is made to go, I would suggest we better go at it all in double of Vietnam regardless of pushback home.
I don’t want any of this. But I don’t want a nuclear Iran.

I in no way want a US ground invasion. I’m ok just setting Iran back.
 
That is not supporting Israel's moronic crusade, or the idea of America getting involved.

Most sensible people would say Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons.

Neither should Israel.
The difference is We Trust Israel to NOT use nuclear weapons on US.
 
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