International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[avenue94]

lmao

Like I said, you're out of your depth. Not only with basic history, but grammar. What a disappointment.

 

[Rational Poster]

Like I said, you're out of your depth. Not only with basic history, but grammar. What a disappointment.

If you think Korea has a chance to unify in any other context besides defeating China in the 1950s, you exist in a fantasy alternate reality.

 

[avenue94]

If you think Korea has a chance to unify in any other context besides defeating China in the 1950s, you exist in a fantasy alternate reality.

That you think there is only one way a regime collapses shows a completely ignorance of history.

The US Chinese thaw in the Cold War, French-British realignment, or literally dozens of other basic examples should have taught you to not so naively approach a complex situation and then argue that there is only a binary outcome.

 

[Rational Poster]

That you think there is only one way a regime collapses shows a completely ignorance of history.

The US Chinese thaw in the Cold War, French-British realignment, or literally dozens of other basic examples should have taught you to not so naively approach a complex situation and then argue that there is only a binary outcome.

Sorry I can't do this with you anymore, enjoy your fairy tales.

 

[Contempt]

Under international law, there is indeed no good reason that Israel has attacked Iran.

So you're proposing a return to JCPOA? Congratulations, all this work and damage to the US's reputation and you've only managed to undo Trump's prior stupidity.

They sure are, but proxies, weapons, and infrastructure can and will be rebuilt.

Can you explain to me why there are zero instances of successfully stopping a nuclear program with air strikes and four cases where it's been doing through negotiations and diplomacy?

The basic flaw in your analysis, if we're being generous and calling it that, is that it's divorced from the historical record and treats Iran as some unique regime never seen before on God's green earth.

Under international law... if you just ignore the fact that Iran has been training, funding and arming groups that were directly attacking Israel for decades.

There is a big difference between financially incentivizing Iran to not develop nukes (demonstrably didn't work) and directly threatening to completely flatten their military as is happening now, if they don't play ball.

Yeah, and it took a very LONG time to do it the first time. After what Israel and the US(Houthi's) did to them this time, you think they will be in a huge hurry for a repeat?

Can you explain to me which of the other instances involved the side that gave up nukes being up against a vastly technologically superior foe that was in the middle of systematically killing all their military leaders and crushing their military? ...yeah LOL

"...and treats Iran as some unique regime never seen before on God's green earth"

That's complete bullshit and you know it. Through history, the inevitable consequence of one side getting completely over matched and wrecked in a military engagement, is they will sue for peace or be completely destroyed.

Iran has been funding and arming its proxies to directly attack Israel for literal generations... and Israel has been planning and preparing to do exactly what they are doing to Iran now, for the same amount of time. At this point, do you honestly believe Israel is going to stop any time before they get what they want?

 

[UberHere]

Iran having a nuke is a threat to Israel, not America. I don't give two shits about Israel. And this sentiment is a rapidly growing one

Any nation willing to drop a nuke on another nation is a threat to the world. What would happen next if Iran did drop a nuke on Israel?

Obviously hypothetical situation, but the point is that technically all countries with nukes are a threat to the world. I’d rather less countries have them than more.

 

[avenue94]

Sorry I can't do this with you anymore, enjoy your fairy tales.

Lol at describing the idea that there's more than one way North Korea's dynasty can fall apart as a fairy tale while spouting, with no evidence mind you, the belief that Iran has the capability to put a nuke on a ballistic missile this year.

You're in a reality distortion bubble.

 

[avenue94]

Under international law... if you just ignore the fact that Iran has been training, funding and arming groups that were directly attacking Israel for decades.

Israel has assassinated civilian scientists in Iran and backed terrorists groups (look at Gaza or MEK), just as Iran has backed proxies.

Only one country is waging conventional warfare under the guise of preventive war here. Feel free to point to the aspect of international law that justifies Israel's conduct.

There is a big difference between financially incentivizing Iran to not develop nukes (demonstrably didn't work) and directly threatening to completely flatten their military as is happening now, if they don't play ball.

How did it not work? The JCPOA was, objectively, a huge success is pausing Iran's nuclear development. Iran only restarted development after the US fucked it over and only then after we lawlessly killed a high ranking Iranian general in a third country.

Can you explain to me which of the other instances involved the side that gave up nukes being up against a vastly technologically superior foe that was in the middle of systematically killing all their military leaders and crushing their military? ...yeah LOL

That's exactly my point. We have no instances of this successfully happening, but we have multiple instances of diplomacy-first strategies panning out in our rather limited sample of countries that gave up nuclear proliferation.

You're nonsensically arguing that a negative (no instances of military power stopping nuclear development without occupation) to prove a positive (bombing Iran will stop its nuclear development).

That's complete bullshit and you know it. Through history, the inevitable consequence of one side getting completely over matched and wrecked in a military engagement, is they will sue for peace or be completely destroyed.

Which is frequently followed by the losing country doubling down on its efforts to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. Germany in WWI and WWII, North Korea getting stomped during the Korean War and then developing nukes, the multiple wars between Israel and its neighbors (which were only resolved through diplomacy and thaws later).

Iran has been funding and arming its proxies to directly attack Israel for literal generations... and Israel has been planning and preparing to do exactly what they are doing to Iran now, for the same amount of time. At this point, do you honestly believe Israel is going to stop any time before they get what they want?

With the support the US provides no. Which is why this strategy is unnecessarily risky. We had Iran's nuclear program contained under JCPOA, then Israel and the US threw it out, and now we're weakening our international position waging a lawless war with the hopes of returning to JCPOA levels of containment.

 

[calavera2]

Trump’s new two-week negotiating window sets off scramble to restart stalled Iran talks

President Donald Trump’s decision to open a two-week negotiating window before deciding on striking Iran sets off an urgent effort to restart talks that had been deadlocked when Israel began its bombing campaign last week.

www.yahoo.com

Dictates the pace while showing mercy through strength. Brilliant

He’d much rather settle this peacefully but if you’re not going to show then fuckem

Trump Bless

Why dear God are these trump muppets so utterly devoid of intellect...

 

[ShadowRun]

 

[Rholk]

Good to see she bend the knee lmao
Iranian Saddam is getting close imo

 

[cottagecheesefan]

TDSers in complete meltdown. Her testimony was that there was no indication that they were making a weapon, but their enrichment was still highest it has ever been, which could enable its nuke advocates. In the second post, you can see someone try to take it out of context, ignoring everything after the little point he highlighted lol

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Good to see she bend the knee lmao
Iranian Saddam is getting close imo

If you look past the initial part of her testimony, she does clearly go in to back what Trump said and in no way contradicted herself.

Trump heard the media ask a slanted question and responded.

 

[Contempt]

Israel has assassinated civilian scientists in Iran and backed terrorists groups (look at Gaza or MEK), just as Iran has backed proxies.

Only one country is waging conventional warfare under the guise of preventive war here. Feel free to point to the aspect of international law that justifies Israel's conduct.

How did it not work? The JCPOA was, objectively, a huge success is pausing Iran's nuclear development. Iran only restarted development after the US fucked it over and only then after we lawlessly killed a high ranking Iranian general in a third country.

That's exactly my point. We have no instances of this successfully happening, but we have multiple instances of diplomacy-first strategies panning out in our rather limited sample of countries that gave up nuclear proliferation.

You're nonsensically arguing that a negative (no instances of military power stopping nuclear development without occupation) to prove a positive (bombing Iran will stop its nuclear development).

Which is frequently followed by the losing country doubling down on its efforts to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. Germany in WWI and WWII, North Korea getting stomped during the Korean War and then developing nukes, the multiple wars between Israel and its neighbors (which were only resolved through diplomacy and thaws later).

With the support the US provides no. Which is why this strategy is unnecessarily risky. We had Iran's nuclear program contained under JCPOA, then Israel and the US threw it out, and now we're weakening our international position waging a lawless war with the hopes of returning to JCPOA levels of containment.

There is a whole load to respond to here and I'm about to do cardio so I'll have to respond later... but one thing about I wanted to quickly point out:

"We had Iran's nuclear program contained under JCPOA, then Israel and the US threw it out"

The Fordow facility was built in 2006, has been in use ever since and Iran has been denying anyone access to inspect it regularly since then. Tell us again how well contained Iran was while actively enriching weapons grade material in their massive underground bunker that they were blocking anyone from inspecting?

 

[Jacket time]

"At the point"
Sounds like she is saying, they could produce crude warhead strapped on a Shahab. 1 time only.

Now they've got a crude uranium warhead and the ability to strike in the Middle East or parts of South Asia, but two countries over to the west are a bunch of guys who don't like them at all and have a whole arsenal of modern plutonium weapons and ways to deliver them.

And to east there are two countries with modern plutonium arsenals and missiles and past those guys another country with the same.

 

[avenue94]

There is a whole load to respond to here and I'm about to do cardio so I'll have to respond later... but one thing about I wanted to quickly point out:

"We had Iran's nuclear program contained under JCPOA, then Israel and the US threw it out"

The Fordow facility was built in 2006, has been in use ever since and Iran has been denying anyone access to inspect it regularly since then. Tell us again how well contained Iran was while actively enriching weapons grade material in their massive underground bunker that they were blocking anyone from inspecting?

If the Fordow facility was in violation, why did no one say so during the deal?

Enjoy your workout.

 

[SKYNET]

I’m not defending them. This is like Dick Cheney tier gaslighting…

I’m saying I don’t want to enable a power vacuum and destabilize another country in the Middle East.

This is the Israeli / neocon playbook, Iran supporter/ sympathizer.

Just say you are America ONLY, things get really quiet after that

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Every terrorist group has to be chomping at the bit for US and Israel to topple Iran. Then they can run in and start their own islamist shit hole, like has happened in literally every other place in the ME where we've done this.

You think Iran's leadership is sketchy now, just wait till the country ends up full Afghanistan.

 

[cincymma79]

can we move on from this discussion about whether or not someone is allowed to be proud of their kid being in the military and whether or not people in the military are shills for a government that doesn't care about them?

Probably not

 

[Jacket time]