International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

Choose the following that best describes your position

  • I do not support Israel attacking Iran

    Votes: 223 61.6%

  • I support Israel attacking Iran, but do not support America becoming directly involved.

    Votes: 93 25.7%

  • I’m for America directly involving itself in the conflict.

    Votes: 46 12.7%
  • Total voters
    362
  • Poll closed .
aerius said:
Exactly. If we look at the root causes of both wars, it's Western nations, specifically the US and UK staging coups and meddling in the internal affairs of both Ukraine & Iran in pursuit of their hegemonic plans. Iran suffered a UK & US led coup in 1953 which toppled its democratically elected government and installed a Western friendly puppet, this eventually led to the Iranian Revolution and Iran becoming a theocratic state with a strong hatred for America. We coup'd Ukraine as well back in 2014 with the intention of using them as a proxy to weaken Russia and hopefully break it up so that it can be exploited for its resources. Russia told us to cut that shit out or else, but we didn't so here we are.

Siding with Ukraine or Israel means you're in favour of continued Western Imperialism and exploitation. People who understand history and have a conscience will oppose this almost every time.
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Siding with Ukraine is being against Russian Imperialism. But it definitely gets painted as being Pro Western Imperialism, and it sucks when large swaths of populations are convinced it MUST be one or the other.
 
Hog-train said:
"Near weapons grade" uranium is still the same 60% enriched uranium we've been talking about this entire time.

Just because you describe it with more hyperbolic words doesn't change the objective facts.

It's pretty funny when a normally pretty liberal person twist themselves into knots trying to defend Israel at all costs. Probably why you abandoned the Hamas thread - their actions have become indefensible.



Because Russia is the aggressor in the Ukraine conflict. And Israel is the aggressor in this conflict.

Also, we're only giving some old weapons and aid to Ukraine, whereas in the Israel conflict, they're pressuring the US to get directly and militarily involved. They want us to actually war against Iran. Lots of people don't want the US to start actively warring.
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The objective fact is that Iran is in possession of an unprecedented amount and quality of enriched uranium when they should not be and have in the past agreed not to obtain it.
 
Fox by the Sea said:
So? what's the answer?

Do you think Israel should respect the ICC decision to give up Netanyahu as a war criminal? Since decisions of the UN body are so important.
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100% they should. Criminals should be turned over to justice and Netanyahu is 100% a War Criminal.

Now cue the latent racist Sherfront Bro who is about to ask me if I feel that way about Obama.

Yes I do. Obama should also face justice for his actions.
 
I continue to believe Intuition and instinct are underappreciated strengths for Trump. I have no doubt we are headed in the right direction and the obliteration of the mullahs was a necessary evil. F around and F out

Peace through strength
 
Sinister said:
Siding with Ukraine is being against Russian Imperialism. But it definitely gets painted as being Pro Western Imperialism, and it sucks when large swaths of populations are convinced it MUST be one or the other.
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This is what I don't understand.

How can you be pro- Ukraine and think it's alright for Iran to continue directly support Russia with hundreds of thousands of lethal drones and thousands of ballistic and anti-air missiles. Dozens if not hundreds of Shahed drones are smashing into Ukrainian infrastructure every single day.

The claims of their progress toward nuclear arms could be entirely fabricated (they're not, it has been confirmed by international bodies they are indeed in possession of near weapons grade uranium), stopping them from supporting Russia as means to bring an end to that conflict seems cause enough if you are truly pro-Ukrainian.
 
BluntForceTrama said:
I continue to believe Intuition and instinct are underappreciated strengths for Trump. I have no doubt we are headed in the right direction and the obliteration of the mullahs was a necessary evil. F around and F out

Peace through strength
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Lmao this loser weirdo went from Bigfoots nuts to Trumps.
 
Sinister said:
Siding with Ukraine is being against Russian Imperialism. But it definitely gets painted as being Pro Western Imperialism, and it sucks when large swaths of populations are convinced it MUST be one or the other.
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True. The situation with the Ukraine is far more complicated and goes back to at least the Russian Revolution. Lenin deliberately drew the borders funny to put a bunch of ethnic Russians in what would become the Ukraine, and since then the country has been getting used by both the Soviets/Russia and NATO. The West took full advantage of simmering tensions between Ukraine & Russia to stage a coup and start a proxy war.

There's no innocent parties in that conflict, but I fully admit I hate the Western side more since we helped kick off the latest round of hostilities. But that's getting a bit off topic, we may disagree on some of the details and take different sides on the conflicts, but I think we can both agree that Imperialist power games are the root cause of both.
 
Rational Poster said:
The objective fact is that Iran is in possession of an unprecedented amount and quality of enriched uranium when they should not be and have in the past agreed not to obtain it.
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That they do not have any warhead or delivery mechanism for. And are not actively working toward either based on our own intel reports.
 
El Panteron said:
You: muslims can live in Israel no problem

Me: there's apartheid

You: STOP SHIFTING THE CONVERSATION

I'll dance with you no problem brother but you're not controlling the conversation.
If we can both agree that muslim Palestinians live in segregation (which something we don't have to agree on because everyone knows it, it's something that happens), then do I give a fuck if the people that make these laws are secular or religious or anything in between? Nope, the result is the same. So if you want to equate them to zealots, to freedom fighters, to crusaders, to dogs, to horses, I don't care
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Got it. You don’t really care about the meaning of words. Just that israel is bad.

And yes, Muslims citizens of Israel have equal rights and freedom to practice their religion.
 
Trump has said he will allow 2 weeks for diplomacy. Seems like the right move. Unless Israel is right and they use that time to get to 90%.
 
Hog-train said:
That they do not have any warhead or delivery mechanism for. And are not actively working toward either based on our own intel reports.
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They have multiple delivery vehicles that we can watch function in real time. Multiple of their ballistic weapons that we can see function right now can be used as delivery vehicles.

You can't make a warhead without the enriched uranium which they've clearly demonstrated they have the ability to manufacture.

You still keep ignoring they are in possession of this uranium despite them agreeing not to obtain it and all of this was months prior to hostilities.
 
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