International Israel - Iran Conflict: PEACE DEAL CONFIRMED

[Hog-train]

The fact that Israel is where it is doesn’t mean that Zionism today means anything other than Israel has a right to exist. And that’s what Zionism is about.

Jews have historical ties to the area and that was a motivation for establishing Israel there. But don’t dismiss the fact that most secular Jews are also zionists. And it has nothing to do with fundamentalist religion to them.

Israel's right to exist means they're allowed to continually steal land in the West Bank and kick locals out of their homes.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

So you are going to just lie too? I guess do you bro.

Did Iraq have near weapons grade uranium?

Nobody has any reason to believe anything being said about Iran is any different from what was said about Iraq.

You falling for it again makes you look bad.

We were told in Iraq that Saddam had yellow cake and that the smoking gun for evidence would be a mushroom cloud. It was lies then, they are lying about Iran now.

Iran is a major oil producing nation and suddenly they are too dangerous to not be invaded. It’s bullshit.

 

[Hdfi]

I suggested you are cool with Iran having nuclear arms after you came at me.

who cares? you are a lunatic with nukes.

Countries that have nukes telling other countries not to have nukes are very unconvincing.

Remove all your nukes first.

 

[kflo]

Nobody has any reason to believe anything being said about Iran is any different from what was said about Iraq.

You falling for it again makes you look bad.

We were told in Iraq that Saddam had yellow cake and that the smoking gun for evidence would be a mushroom cloud. It was lies then, they are lying about Iran now.

Iran is a major oil producing nation and suddenly they are too dangerous to not be invaded. It’s bullshit.

Who is lying about Iraq now? The IAEA? You guys want to suspend reality.

 

[kflo]

I don't know if you're being dense on purpose and shitting on the discussion or no, I'll be open minded.

- Israel's "right to exist" (we'll get to that in a minute) is not the only factor in what is seen as Zionism. It's the fact it has to exist as a religious ethnostate. Obviously lefties have a problem with that part more than its existence.
- The notion that a state has a "right" to exist is complete bullshit: nations don't exist in reality, it's a piece of land someone took with weapons, do you think Italy had a "right" to exist? People took arms and went to shoot other people (or better, we got the French to do it, but not important right now) and now it exists, that's literally all there is to it. All this talk of values and rules is pure fiction.

Israel exists now and there's almost 10 million folks in there so no, I wouldn't think it's right to go and deport them all away, but it doesn't exist because it had a "right" to exist, it does because they could occupy the land with little resistence, and in the post-holocaust landscape there were many people who wanted to go and start a new nation.

Let's not confuse the propaganda babble nations do with reality.

Long winded way of agreeing that Zionism is NOT akin to fundamentalist religious belief. It has to do with Israel, not the specific practice of Judaism. Again, the majority of jewish Zionists in Israel are secular Jews.

 

[Rob Battisti]

 

[cincymma79]

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Hopefully both sides use today’s holiday to cool it and take it down a notch

 

[SurferH2O]

First this happened a few days ago...

Caught on Flightradar: Did China secretly send weapons to Iran? 3 mysterious cargo planes spark global alarm

Recent reports reveal three mysterious Boeing 747 freighter planes departed from China towards Iran shortly after Israeli attacks, sparking global concern over potential military shipments amid China-Iran strategic ties.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

... and this just happened...

Trump's nuclear attack 'doomsday plane' arrives in Washin...

The E-4B Nightwatch aircraft landed at Joint Base Andrews Tuesday night amid heightened tensions in the Middle East.

www.newsweek.com

With the Tin Foil hats... is is possible China tried to send nukes to Iran? Or is it just other weapons? Either way, this is getting sketchy with China.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Hopefully both sides use today’s holiday to cool it and take it down a notch

Israel said on Tuesday they had a, "big surprise" planned for Iran on Thursday(today). So I somehow doubt it.

 

[KnightTemplar]

First this happened a few days ago...

Caught on Flightradar: Did China secretly send weapons to Iran? 3 mysterious cargo planes spark global alarm

Recent reports reveal three mysterious Boeing 747 freighter planes departed from China towards Iran shortly after Israeli attacks, sparking global concern over potential military shipments amid China-Iran strategic ties.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

... and this just happened...

Trump's nuclear attack 'doomsday plane' arrives in Washin...

The E-4B Nightwatch aircraft landed at Joint Base Andrews Tuesday night amid heightened tensions in the Middle East.

www.newsweek.com

With the Tin Foil hats... is is possible China tried to send nukes to Iran? Or is it just other weapons? Either way, this is getting sketchy with China.

More likely conventional weapons, such as missiles. I don't see how giving Iran nukes would benefit China.

 

[El Panteron]

Long winded way of agreeing that Zionism is NOT akin to fundamentalist religious belief. It has to do with Israel, not the specific practice of Judaism. Again, the majority of jewish Zionists in Israel are secular Jews.

Post must have been different in your fantasy world I guess

 

[Snubnoze707]

I think you might be deliberately misunderstanding what I asked.

Obviously this war is ugly and Israel is pissed. What point do you think that level of hostility is justified.

But you new exactly what I was saying but wanted to get that one in anyway.

But unlike eddy I know exactly where you stand. I'm aware that you are aware where I stand as well.

"War being ugly" doesn't mean you blow up 50 people with a tank while they wait in line for food.

That isn't war, that's Genocide. That's the kind of stuff that guy with the funny mustache would do.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Iran strikes a hospital.

Yes, Israel.

It's monstrous isn't it.

It's unbelievable isn't it.

Makes you angry doesn't it.

Mah boy Norman Finkelstein has mentioned many times that he thinks that what Israel may need is a decisive military defeat to shape it back to decency, similar to Nazi Germany transforming into the highly moral Germany of today.

I don't think Iran is doing this now but it's definitely putting up a much bigger fight than what the Arab states have ever done.

 

[SurferH2O]

"War being ugly" doesn't mean you blow up 50 people with a tank while they wait in line for food.

That isn't war, that's Genocide. That's the kind of stuff that guy with the funny mustache would do.

I would agree. Israel has some answering to do... yet that never seems to happen.

 

[nonoob]

Simply news wise, this thread is alright ( fairly balanced here with pro israel/iran people)

Combatfootage on reddit for footage of strikes and whatever is going on

So many options, none of them good.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Iran strikes a hospital.

Yes, Israel.

It's monstrous isn't it.

It's unbelievable isn't it.

Makes you angry doesn't it.

They'll suddenly start caring about bombing hospitals, despite Israel bombing 36 hospitals in Gaza. You know how the double standard works.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Israel said on Tuesday they had a, "big surprise" planned for Iran on Thursday(today). So I somehow doubt it.

Juneteenth fireworks display for world peace?

 

[vision1]

Israel's right to exist means they're allowed to continually steal land in the West Bank and kick locals out of their homes.

Unrelated to zionism

 

[Aegon Spengler]