International Israel attacks Qatar

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

who's the "and crew" snappo?

Israel and her enablers

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Whatever you say dude

and we got a deal. But nobody gets to use the word genocide in the discussion

A genocide is happening, and a bigger one will come eventually, its just a matter of time.

 

[avenue94]

you think the pals will go for a worse terrorist org to lead them next?

It's not completely up to them, but conflict tends to empower extremists more than moderates since it destroys civil society.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

They Won't. Radical Muslims are ambush predators that will get the odd few but ultimately will get a much heavier repayment as has been shown many times

LOL pride comes before the fall.

 

[avenue94]

That is very true. Which is why they seem to want to hold as much control over the region as they can. They wont leave it up to coincidence.

They kind of are. Someone has to replace Hamas and Israel's day after planning has been lacking to say the least.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The gwot failed because we cared way too much about killing them and they were aware from history they could wait us out.

 

[avenue94]

Its the entire reason these types of groups thrive on conflict. They get money from all over and leave the peeps poor. There can't be peace or the money stops imo.

You can still embezzle and steal plenty in peace time. If Israel wants Hamas gone, doing it is the easier part. They still have to provide some day after planning if they want any positive input into the process.

 

[kflo]

Israel and her enablers

Who are they?

 

[Gutter Chris]

Well you tell me why we could win a war with one set of fanatics and not another.

Also Israel's method looks like it's working to me

 

[Cajun]

You can still embezzle and steal plenty in peace time. If Israel wants Hamas gone, doing it is the easier part. They still have to provide some day after planning if they want any positive input into the process.

Sure but funding by Iran etc is better when there is conflict. Not the level now which makes no sense (Oct 7). Now they cannot stay in power. But if there was total and lasting peace then there is little need to fund such groups.

 

[The_Renaissance]

LOL pride comes before the fall.

Let's see how that works out

 

[avenue94]

Sure but funding by Iran etc is better when there is conflict. Not the level now which makes no sense (Oct 7). Now they cannot stay in power. But if there was total and lasting peace then there is little need to fund such groups.

Ok, so who do you want to step in and fill the vacuum in a post Hamas Gaza?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Just curious, but what makes Israel's nuclear arsenal illegal?

They have repeatedly refused to accept any kind of U.N. inspection or sanction for their nuclear arms program.

Everyone else on Earth either signs the nuclear non proliferation treaty or is ratified as a clear armed state by that treaty. Israel joins North Korea with their illegal nuclear armaments.

The U.S. signed and ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968.

The NPT recognizes five countries as legitimate nuclear-weapon states:

United States
Russia
China
United Kingdom
France

Israel developed its bomb by stealing technology from the USA, which is illegal under international law. It is even illegal to transfer nuclear weapons tech secrets, so to steal it is most definitely illegal.

Did Israel steal bomb-grade uranium from the United States?

Newly released documents on the NUMEC affair add significantly to evidence that Israel stole highly enriched uranium from a US nuclear fuel-processing plant in the 1960s. President Obama should declassify the entire record on the theft.

thebulletin.org

The NUMEC Affair: Did Highly Enriched Uranium from the U.S. Aid Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program? | National Security Archive

The NUMEC Affair: Did Highly Enriched Uranium from the U.S. Aid Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program? Document collection and introduction by Roger J. Mattson, PhD

nsarchive.gwu.edu

The prohibition on receiving transfer or control

The prohibition on receiving transfer or control of nuclear weapons

banmonitor.org

 

[Cajun]

Ok, so who do you want to step in and fill the vacuum in a post Hamas Gaza?

The Palestinian Authority would be an obvious choice until elections are held. They already govern the west bank. Hamas was only Gaza.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well you tell me why we could win a war with one set of fanatics and not another.

Lack of political will on the part of the public, ill-defined and ever changing goals, and poorly managed state building among other issues.

Also Israel's method looks like it's working to me

What makes you say that? They have no plan except for ethnically cleansing Gaza which we're told won't happen despite the fact that we hear that suggestion over and over again from Israelis.

 

[USA!USA!]

Well what are they going to do about it? They can retaliate or they can stop legitimizing Hamas and stop allowing them to walk freely in their countries.

Obviously it’s not good for diplomacy, but the old way wasn’t working either. Perhaps some drastic actions like these are a necessary evil to solve this properly.

“What are they going to do about it?”

Very diplomatic... a surefire way to develop peaceful relations

 

[filthybliss]

Who told you this hippie bullshit? You most certainly can defeat fanatics you just have to fight wars in the total style and not confuse the words surrender and ceasefire . Where the nazis and imperial Japanese at ? They got their asses beat til the didn't wanna fight no more is where.

For the record, the deprogramming of the extremist ideologies of Germany and Japan came through the carefully organized Marshall Plan to detox the education system and reconstruct the country so that trust between the Allied and Axis Forces could be cemented.

In WW1, we bombed Germany and left it in shambles+debt via the Treaty of Versailles. This primed the conditions for Hitler to rise because Germans were ripe for extremism since the world left them in the trash. So the during the Second World War, we didn’t just leave Germany in pieces to condition room for another Dangerous Ideologue.

Likewise, Bombing the shit out of Cambodia primed the rise of Pol Pot and a similar case with Iraq and ISIS. We didn’t have a dedicated Marshall Plan to drain the system and build trust.

I'm holding them to the same standards as my own country. The gwot failed because we cared way too much about killing them and they were aware from history they could wait us out.

This is just vile. Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11 nor did they have WMDs. A million people dead and displaced from their homes on a pack of lies and your argument is that we didn’t kill enough of them.

Afghanistan failed because we didn’t apply ourselves fully to a systematic regime change because it would require a draft and for us to completely rewrite the education system.

Your arguement that they could just wait us out is so tone deaf. The Nazis and Japanese could have also “waited us out” but we organized a framework where we could control their education system and build their infrastructure back so they had no reason to be vengeful anymore.

We didn’t apply that sort of dedication to GWOT. We just killed a bunch of people and slapped a puppet government with very legitimacy.

 

[avenue94]

The Palestinian Authority would be an obvious choice until elections are held. They already govern the west bank. Hamas was only Gaza.

Therein lies the issue, Israel doesn't want the PA to govern. They didn't want it back in the day when they backed Hamas' rise, and Shin Bet has been flagging that the PA is at the verge of collapse in part due to Israel's strategy of divide and conquer.

Any other alternatives?

 

[avenue94]

For the record, the deprogramming of the extremist ideologies of Germany and Japan came through the carefully organized Marshall Plan to detox the education system and reconstruct the country so that trust between the Allied and Axis Forces could be cemented.

In WW1, we bombed Germany to bits too and left it in shambles+debt. This primed the conditions for Hitler to rise because Germans were ripe for extremism since the world left them in the trash. So the during the Second World War, we didn’t just leave Germany in pieces to condition room for another Dangerous Ideologue.

Likewise, Bombing the shit out of Cambodia primed the rise of Pol Pot and a similar case with Iraq and ISIS. We didn’t have a dedicated Marshall Plan to drain the system and build trust.

More relevantly, we also very clearly handwaved crimes from terrible people if it helped us govern, such as the the emperor in Japan or all the Nazis we let operate as freelancers after the war.

 

[Cajun]

Therein lies the issue, Israel doesn't want the PA to govern. They didn't want it back in the day when they backed Hamas' rise, and Shin Bet has been flagging that the PA is at the verge of collapse in part due to Israel's strategy of divide and conquer.

Any other alternatives?

We are talking temporary. They are the only ones with a vested interest until elections. I've heard both sides have been calling for them. But in the meantime its them. Israel may want to govern. Theres no telling with those guys and they say they will occupy. But the right answer is the PA. Whether Israel agrees is something else. You asked me who should.