International Israel attacks Qatar

[avenue94]

We are talking temporary. They are the only ones with a vested interest until elections. I've heard both sides have been calling for them. But in the meantime its them. Israel may want to govern. Theres no telling with those guys and they say they will occupy. But the right answer is the PA. Whether Israel agrees is something else. You asked me who should.

And I'm telling you that the PA fundamentally lacks the cache with Gaza to do that, and more importantly Israel has already ruled this out. I know I asked you that, my point isn't to rake you over the coals but to point out that a eliminating Hamas is a meaningless talking point because there's no good faith interest in who replaces them.

Neither the US or Israel have any intention of letting the PA govern effectively -- and that's assuming the PA is even up to it at this point. Israel has had its most effective moderate leader in jail for decades, and we've recently also pulled visas for PA diplomats.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Weird. I thought all wars would be over on Day 1.

 

[Cajun]

And I'm telling you that the PA fundamentally lacks the cache with Gaza to do that, and more importantly Israel has already ruled this out. I know I asked you that, my point isn't to rake you over the coals but to point out that a eliminating Hamas is a meaningless talking point because there's no good faith interest in who replaces them.

Neither the US or Israel have any intention of letting the PA govern effectively -- and that's assuming the PA is even up to it at this point. Israel has had its most effective moderate leader in jail for decades, and we've recently also pulled visas for PA diplomats.

No worries. We'll see then. The losing side doesnt get to choose unfortunately. If the Israelis decide just to occupy and it's going to be a mess. I didn't like when Gaza chose Hamas all those years ago. But we're far beyond that now. The PA would be the only ones that make sense. Not sure IF Israel let's them have free elections at all for a while. Hamas is being removed for Oct 7. Thats not meaningless. There will be nothing else offered by Israel than removing them which I don't disagree. But its going to happen. Hamas will never rule there again imo.

 

[Gutter Chris]

For the record, the deprogramming of the extremist ideologies of Germany and Japan came through the carefully organized Marshall Plan to detox the education system and reconstruct the country so that trust between the Allied and Axis Forces could be cemented.

In WW1, we bombed Germany to bits too and left it in shambles+debt. This primed the conditions for Hitler to rise because Germans were ripe for extremism since the world left them in the trash. So the during the Second World War, we didn’t just leave Germany in pieces to condition room for another Dangerous Ideologue.

Likewise, Bombing the shit out of Cambodia primed the rise of Pol Pot and a similar case with Iraq and ISIS. We didn’t have a dedicated Marshall Plan to drain the system and build trust.




This is just vile. Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11 nor did they have WMDs. A million people dead and displaced from their homes on a pack of lies and your argument is that we didn’t kill enough of them.

Afghanistan failed because we didn’t apply ourselves fully to a systematic regime change because it would require a draft and for us to completely rewrite the education system.

Your arguement that they could just wait us out is so tone deaf. The Nazis and Japanese could have also “waited us out” but we organized a framework where we could control their education system and build their infrastructure back so they had no reason to be vengeful anymore.

We didn’t apply that sort of dedication to GWOT. We just killed a bunch of people and slapped a puppet government with very legitimacy.

Big ignore of the unconditional surrender that came before deprograming. Or the fact that world War 2 was all but guaranteed because all the issues from the first one were not resolved and that it wasn't the unconditional surrender suggested earlier but a ceasefire and the fact that no neither could not afford to wait out the allies because not just were they advancing on the capitals but super weapons there Mr chatgpt .

So forcing unconditional surrender to deprogram your enemy does infact work though right?

And also yea exactly neither one of those wars was won because we did not fight them with total war tactics and instead fucked around.

I am glad we agree.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

Who are they?

The British who refueled their war planes, the Americans who allowed them to come in the airspace unchallenged, the Saudis who let them fly over the space, and the Jordanians and others too.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

That's got to suck for Qatar, didn't they just get bombed by Iran ?

 

[ocfightfan]

Qatar is one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism, and the people killed were Hamas terrorist leaders living in the lap of luxury. Anyone upset about this is mentally retarded.

Surrender and give back the hostages now.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Big ignore of the unconditional surrender that came before deprograming. Or the fact that world War 2 was all but guaranteed because all the issues from the first one were not resolved and that it wasn't the unconditional surrender suggested earlier but a ceasefire and the fact that no neither could not afford to wait out the allies because not just were they advancing on the capitals but super weapons there Mr chatgpt .

So forcing unconditional surrender to deprogram your enemy does infact work though right?

The Taliban offered to surrender with the only condition being amnesty. Many Taliban fighters even disarmed themselves of their own accord and returned to civilian life.

It was in the waning days of November 2001 that Taliban leaders began to reach out to Hamid Karzai, who would soon become the interim president of Afghanistan: They wanted to make a deal.

“The Taliban were completely defeated, they had no demands, except amnesty,” recalled Barnett Rubin, who worked with the United Nations’ political team in Afghanistan at the time.

But Washington, confident that the Taliban would be wiped out forever, was in no mood for a deal.

“One mistake was that we turned down the Taliban’s attempt to negotiate,” Carter Malkasian, a former senior adviser to Gen. Joseph Dunford, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during parts of the Obama and Trump administrations, said of the American decision not to discuss a Taliban surrender nearly 20 years ago.

“We were hugely overconfident in 2001, and we thought the Taliban had gone away and weren’t going to come back,” he said. “We also wanted revenge, and so we made a lot of mistakes that we shouldn’t have made.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/23/world/middleeast/afghanistan-taliban-deal-united-states.html

So if anything the mistake seems to have been the opposite of what you're suggesting, that we were not willing to negotiate rather than being too lenient.

And also yea exactly neither one of those wars was won because we did not fight them with total war tactics and instead fucked around.

I am glad we agree.

Who did we need to kill that we didn't in your view? What tactics and strategies weren't used that would've won the war?

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

If I can’t pronounce a country’s name, it doesn’t matter.

 

[PhitePhan]

So far in 2025
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Qatar
Iran
Gaza
West Bank
drone in Tunisia

Am I missing someplace that Israel attacked this year?

Israel… wait, that was 2024.

 

[Blayt7hh]

If I can’t pronounce a country’s name, it doesn’t matter.

It’s two syllables long and all of its phonemes are in English…

I get it that you’re trying to be funny but you just sound like an idiot when you try to be funny.

 

[PhitePhan]

It’s clear that Israel isn’t going to make a deal with Hamas and Hamas isn’t going to make a deal with Israel. So the region should just come together and destroy Hamas. It’s the quickest way forward.

Hamas doesn’t deserve a spot at the negotiating table to begin with.

Hamas wouldn’t have had a spot at the table to begin with, if not for Israel who propped them up for years… makes you wonder, or not.

 

[Misanthropist]

So far in 2025
Yemen
Syria
Lebanon
Qatar
Iran
Gaza
West Bank
drone in Tunisia

Am I missing someplace that Israel attacked this year?

Forgot to list Egypt (Rafah).

 

[italiamusica]

All the MAGA losers can do is laugh react in threads like this lol so fucking mentally crippled.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Qatar is one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism, and the people killed were Hamas terrorist leaders living in the lap of luxury. Anyone upset about this is mentally retarded.

Surrender and give back the hostages now.

I don’t think it was about who was killed, I think folks are upset with where, and how.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Hamas wouldn’t have had a spot at the table to begin with, if not for Israel who propped them up for years… makes you wonder, or not.

Not really. Changing allegiances happen all the time.

Japan and US become allies really quickly after WW2 despite 2 atomic bombs and Japanese treatment of POWs.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

They kind of are. Someone has to replace Hamas and Israel's day after planning has been lacking to say the least.

They will still meddle in those affairs, regardless of who or what takes control.

 

[SamuraiBro]

Man, they weren't kidding when they said they were going to go scorched Earth on Hamas.

You think that’s bad. You should look up the Samson Option.

 

[Koya]

Us ally hitting another us ally

This one will make diplomats sweat a bit

No. One is an ally with US military bases and such. The other is a leech who controls American politicians trough lobbies.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

“What are they going to do about it?”

Very diplomatic... a surefire way to develop peaceful relations

Well it is the reality. Has happened all throughout history that countries don't want to get dragged into war and don't respond to these type of attacks / small provocations. Diplomacy only goes so far.