Islam Makhachev or Jon Jones - Who should be P4P #1?

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

Inspired by this thread.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...2-p4p-khamzat-chimaev-debuts-at-9-mw.4312055/

Who would you have as #1 pound for pound fighter?

 

[Gabe]

Jones has won multiple belts in multiple weight classes so by definition he is the pound for pound king. Islam can’t be number one by knocking out a featherweight at lightweight.

 

[Reign009]

As a LHW that moved up, you gotta give it to Jones.

 

[LiQuiD42]

Jon Jones and it's not even close.

 

[Reign009]

Islam's time is coming though.

He'll be #1 P4P.

 

[samuelsoncast]

Jones has won multiple belts in multiple weight classes so by definition he is the pound for pound king. Islam can’t be number one by knocking out a featherweight at lightweight.

Jones was considered pound for pound whilst LHW so I'm not sure the definition is (as proven) multiple weight classes.

It is surely skill/fighter ability regardless of weight.

 

[humdizzle]

Jones is all time #1

He will retire after beating stipe next month though. Then Islam will take the P4P throne.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Who fucking cares? Lol.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

Who fucking cares? Lol.

lol that's fair.

 

[Quietus]

The fact is they're only putting Jones up there to help promote the fight with Stipe, that alone should tell you all you need to know, he's looked like a sloppy mess his last few fights (lost to Reyes, Draw with Santos, DQ vs Smith for grounded knee, and Gane was a cherrypicked free style matchup). Jones hasn't had a meaningful, impressive win since the DC rematch which itself was overturned due to roids. P4P = illegitimate list used as a marketing tool, and that's that.

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

Jon Jones and it's not even close.

 

[thewhiterooster]

I wish the "pound for pound" discussion went bye bye. it's useless. waste of a conversation really. based off opinions and can't be tested. waste of energy

 

[TempleoftheDog]

I give zero fucks about this made up ranking. It’s as useless as the GOAT debate.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Islam obviously. But in prize fighting, whoever has the next PPV is considered #1P4P. Is normal.

 

[JKS]

It's Jones.

 

[OldBoy91]

Jones. Islam has the 2 wins over Volk, and the the Oliveira win, then what? Dan Hooker? Bobby Green?

Jones' overall body of work is unsurpassed by anyone currently fighting.

 

[Striker Fox]

Jones isn't even top 10 at this point

 

[gimmick122]

Islam and it's not even close. Sean Strickland is above Israel Adesanya in p4p rankings because it's about who is the best in the world today, not lifetime achievements.

Jon only has 1 current top 10 HW win (Cyril Gane) and 1 current top 10 LHW win (Anthony Smith). Meanwhile, Islam just finished 2 of the current top 5 p4p (Oliveira and Volkanovski).

 

[IloveTHIS]

There is no possible justification in the world for having Islam above Jones

The fact is they're only putting Jones up there to help promote the fight with Stipe, that alone should tell you all you need to know, he's looked like a sloppy mess his last few fights (lost to Reyes, Draw with Santos, DQ vs Smith for grounded knee, and Gane was a cherrypicked free style matchup). Jones hasn't had a meaningful, impressive win since the DC rematch which itself was overturned due to roids. P4P = illegitimate list used as a marketing tool, and that's that.

Gus rematch was after the second DC fight in which Jon won effortlessly via TKO. I'd say that was pretty meaningful

As for the DC win not being meaningful because of roids, DC himself says otherwise lol. He admits and knows he lost

 

[markg171]

The guy who actually did P4P by successfully moving up a weight class.

Not the guy who's doing the opposite of it by repeatedly fighting a guy from the weight class below.