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Social Is Plastic Surgery worth it?

It’s a suggestion but, it has a couple of things I am still debating about.

1. Actual surgeons that are both well versed in aesthetics and are willing to do stuff are very rare and the waiting lists just to get in touch with them are painfully long.

2. Getting multiple surgeries is pricey, risky

3. The effort is not guaranteed to give you results.

the realization that i have flaws and woman mostly and only care about looks, was god awfully bad.

Not below average, simply bland. It began to give me anxiety, my eyes especially and height are incredibly annoying. So I set out to fix it. After extensive research and debating whatever this or AAS are the options.. I think with knowledge someone can realistically accomplish his goals and maybe inspire some people to take that big step of investing into your appearance. My main focus is just to be better looking.

But at the same time, i'm not sure the risks are worth it atm, or it should be used as last resort, but for the sake of my life; I wanna get laid quickly (had a burnout) and bad experiences recently.

Eye surgery
Cheekbones surgery
And maybe some fillers/implants on jaw.

I think that probably can make a big difference, into my life (and relationship).

Hell no!!........Not unless you want to look like someone 3D printed you with a $2 shop device.

I'd like to submit to the court, exhibit A.....

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At least these freaks don't need to dress up for Halloween I guess, but that's the only bright side, fella.
 
Hell no!!........Not unless you want to look like someone 3D printed you with a $2 shop device.

I'd like to submit to the court, exhibit A.....

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At least these freaks don't need to dress up for Halloween I guess, but that's the only bright side, fella.

These are BDD mentally ill guys.
 
All tales from the basement.
What does "tales from the basement" mean here? If you think I'm actually some lady-less basement-dweller trolling you, why bother to reply?

It’s a myth that woman care less about genes and looks. They have eyes ffs.

They’re just more selective overall and on top all have different opinions and things they rate more and less than guys which just wanna fuck a hot chick.
Those two statements contradict each other. I wrote:

they tend to weight looks lower than men do, generally speaking, in their criteria for a mate.

Which what you've written in your second statement, as far as I can tell. Though I didn't mention anything about "genes." They are looking for good genes, the reflection of that which can be in things other than looks, like intelligence. Which comports with what I wrote.
Being said, if you do not mind sharing or blurring a pic? Even in PMs? If you did, kudos to you. You got great luck in life.
Even if you hadn't just mildly insulted me, I still would not send personal information about myself--much less my family--to a stranger on the world's most savage Wing Chun forum. I'll also note here that you've not posted a picture of yourself for everyone to evaluate.

Look, I offered my advice in good faith, and it's yours to take or leave as you wish. It sounds like what you're looking for here though, is for us to ratify the choice you've already made. In which case you're wasting everyone's time.
 
What does "tales from the basement" mean here? If you think I'm actually some lady-less basement-dweller trolling you, why bother to reply?


Those two statements contradict each other. I wrote:



Which what you've written in your second statement, as far as I can tell. Though I didn't mention anything about "genes." They are looking for good genes, the reflection of that which can be in things other than looks, like intelligence. Which comports with what I wrote.

Even if you hadn't just mildly insulted me, I still would not send personal information about myself--much less my family--to a stranger on the world's most savage Wing Chun forum. I'll also note here that you've not posted a picture of yourself for everyone to evaluate.

Look, I offered my advice in good faith, and it's yours to take or leave as you wish. It sounds like what you're looking for here though, is for us to ratify the choice you've already made. In which case you're wasting everyone's time.

Tales = a myth. Something told but not true.

Nope, they value other things on top of LOOKS which is #1 and the only pre-selective quality you need to have,

Fair enough.

Just didn’t agree to that advice sorry.
 
I can certainly sympathize with TS. It's hard to tell from his posts whether his problems with looks constitute deformities which need medical correction or not, but if not, maybe some of this might help. I'm an ugly dude, but still managed to find a very attractive wife and have been married for 30 years, with now three grown children. Among the hard lessons I learned are:

  • Trying to find a woman at a nightclub did not work for me. It wasn't the right milieu for me. I never found a nightclub that specialized in ugly people. (Though I've been to some where it was mostly their unintended clientele. And even then the ladies had a higher standard than I represented looks-wise.)
  • I had to be careful who I used words like "milieu" around. It's no fun to be called a "word :eek::eek::eek:" by a nice looking woman.
  • Meeting women where there was already a shared interest (or pretend shared interest) was the way to go for me. A lot of guys have more luck at churches or interest/hobby clubs, charity groups, music fan groups, etc, where the point is not dating, but where you can meet and socialize with women in a much lower-pressure environment. Now, you do have to find said groups that have women in them. That sounds obvious but I had friends who complained they couldn't find a woman but every group they interacted with was almost all male.
  • Be on the lookout for women you know who you hadn't considered romantically but who might actually be sending you signals. I realized way too late that there were a couple of women when I was younger who were trying to tell me they were interested, but I was too wrapped up in finding the "right" girl to notice. Of course, make sure to balance that with making sure you're not reading that into everything your female friends say to you. It can be difficult to discern the difference sometimes, for sure.
  • I did work on making myself look better, but things got easier once I accepted that I wasn't going to make myself look like someone else, but just a better version of me. And, the best version of me was still not going to look anything like a model. There was no magic to make me look like Brad Pitt or Chris Isaak (insert more contemporary reference here.)
  • The toughest lesson, and the hardest to actually put into practice, was to get rid of my desperation. Women can sense it, and it's the basis of all that trying too hard that results in turning them off. I had to relax and let go and concentrate on making myself a more attractive prospect, which is not just a physical thing. That was very difficult because like most other young guys landing a woman was almost all I could think about. But once I did let go and develop some patience, I managed to meet someone. And that someone was Cindy Crawford. [Narrator: It was not Cindy Crawford.]

All that said, I realize it's a different world now with respect to courtship and dating. For example, I might now get murdered for using the word "courtship" in public. But I'd hope that some of this advice would be evergreen and maybe even helpful.
My wife modeled for Calvin Klein. When we met I was a single father with an ex wife, in my early 30s, broke, living with roommates and working a crappy job while I tried to get a business off the ground. Not only was she way out of my league looks wise, she had her shit together unlike me.

Yet here we are 6 years later. Raising my kid, we bought a house, the business took off. More tales from the basement I guess
 
TS even if you do the surgery (exposing yourself to unnecessary health risks along the way), you’ll likely find something else to change afterwards and ultimately never be satisfied

It’s just another scam to get money out of your wallet and into someone else’s hands based off your insecurities
 
Yikes dude, you hit a nerve with people here really bad!



Forget surgery or steroids. Just hit the gym and diet the right way be it muscle gain or weight loss. Work on hair style and wardrobe. See what style works best for your complexation and overall appearance.




I think you upset a lot of people here when you implied that their marriage is based on their provision as oppose to genuine attraction. I have a buddy and he looks like Christian Bale circa mid-2000s. Lot of guys try to get aggressive with him or act shitty around him and get annoyed that their gf/wives are eye balling him. So I can see why people would get upset about the looks topic.




If we look at romance novels, we can see the following:

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Its a billion dollar industry and the cover is cover of good looking men. But most of them are more so fit, lean and muscular with stylish outfit as oppose to being on steroids or looking plastic. Also romance novels use a very vivid language. The speech pattern for Romance novels are excellent tool for marketing and connecting with female audience. This is because they capture the female imagination while most guys do not respond to the words used in these novels and think its utterly ridiculous.


I would recommend learning from romance novels as a good source to learn what you are trying to achieve.

Best of luck to you.

Bro no comment on the romance novel stuff, but at least include pics of the more realistic ones:

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Being said, shrink what? You’ve never seen how I look, how would you judge that? And write about how I look?

I think woman would reject me fairly easily based off my looks, yes.

Because...

looks don't make that big a difference to women. They don't hurt... but there are a lot of average to ugly men who do very well for themselves because they can talk.

Here's a wolfman, a dwarf, and a guy whos whole face was a tumor... all of whom found love despite not being traditionally attractive.

You can carve yourself up to your heart's content. I don't particularly give a shit. It's a free country. But whatever was actually making your love life difficult before will still be there.
 
Because...



Here's a wolfman, a dwarf, and a guy whos whole face was a tumor... all of whom found love despite not being traditionally attractive.

You can carve yourself up to your heart's content. I don't particularly give a shit. It's a free country. But whatever was actually making your love life difficult before will still be there.

0.1% case, lightning in a bottle. Does not apply to reality, or things done all the time.

You really think woman do not care about looks?
 
Look, I am doing all of that, + surgery.

Well, you know you can be not obvious roids look, or surgery look? Doing it subtle or in a smart way.

Being said, I just think you gotta have attraction physical before anything..


First thing first, I am on your side. Most guys who post here are in their mid-30s and early 40s. They are from the early 2000s era and back then, there was no social media and instead we had pagers and flip phones. It was a different world back then and it was not looks centric. People could overcome it through sports or sense of humor. Mainly athletic physique was the way to go.

That and I feel where you are coming from. The looks/beauty/youth industry is big business and it is like that because it does work. That and I agree that good looks= positive reinforcement and I have met lots of super good looking guys and they are very similar to Sage Northcut who is happy go lucky guy and very laid back and their positive vibes does come from the positive experience which adds to their looks.


That being said, I feel you need to be good at something that women admire. I have not really mentioned it here but I take pole dancing classes and even when I am unkempt, a bit overweight, women are still very complimentary because I have good moves because of martial arts and yoga that allows my pole dance moves to be more unconventional.


My point being is that, yes by all means do your thing but please also be involved in community or hobbies that women do admire. Learning various dance styles, gardening, painting and cooking as well as photography are good activities. Choose one in which you are passionate and learn to articulate those interest with rich vocabulary and deep passion.


Bro no comment on the romance novel stuff, but at least include pics of the more realistic ones:

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The last pic... I like that, OH I LIKE THAT CHICKEN BROTHER, IM GONNA USE IT AHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHA!!!!!
 
That is some next level 3D chess if you’re single. You’re spending time in a target rich environment, making friends, and showing that you're secure in your masculinity. God damn bravo sir

I did it because of Mallakhamb. Ogata is my username and the character trained in Mallakhamb and he is a character obsessed with old school ancient martial arts and training methods. Mallakhamb evolved in to pole dancing since lot of women are in to yoga and in the 60s, you had the whole yoga hippy eastern culture movement.

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This is Ogata Isshinsai using Mallakhamb to come down:

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Pole dancing takes lot of moves from mallakhamb and also like boxing, if you do your tricks from your right side, you get good at the right side but if you start on the left side, its like south paw stance, you end up being a beginner if you are not used to it.


Same with Judo, my throws come from right hip, hence wrestlers and judokas tend to favor southpaw if they are right handed. But regarding pole, you develop excellent conditioning, flexibility and all the gripping of the pole gives you solid guard for grappling.



My advice is, if you want to take pole. Keep to yourself, its a space that lot of women feel uncomfortable with the new guy but if you show up, keep your head down, do your moves, get better, they will notice and they will come up and invite you out for a drink or offer advice with your gripping or launching.


But yeah dude, I have been MAD obsessed with Ogata Isshinsai character since 2012, his character inspired to train and think about martial arts and boxing in a completely different way. I made so much progress, got so insanely fit and made so much progress that looking back, the Ogata character has continued to be a truly positive force in life. A very well written character with many layers, complexity and so much wisdom in its diverse methods.
 
I did it because of Mallakhamb. Ogata is my username and the character trained in Mallakhamb and he is a character obsessed with old school ancient martial arts and training methods. Mallakhamb evolved in to pole dancing since lot of women are in to yoga and in the 60s, you had the whole yoga hippy eastern culture movement.

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This is Ogata Isshinsai using Mallakhamb to come down:

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Pole dancing takes lot of moves from mallakhamb and also like boxing, if you do your tricks from your right side, you get good at the right side but if you start on the left side, its like south paw stance, you end up being a beginner if you are not used to it.


Same with Judo, my throws come from right hip, hence wrestlers and judokas tend to favor southpaw if they are right handed. But regarding pole, you develop excellent conditioning, flexibility and all the gripping of the pole gives you solid guard for grappling.



My advice is, if you want to take pole. Keep to yourself, its a space that lot of women feel uncomfortable with the new guy but if you show up, keep your head down, do your moves, get better, they will notice and they will come up and invite you out for a drink or offer advice with your gripping or launching.


But yeah dude, I have been MAD obsessed with Ogata Isshinsai character since 2012, his character inspired to train and think about martial arts and boxing in a completely different way. I made so much progress, got so insanely fit and made so much progress that looking back, the Ogata character has continued to be a truly positive force in life. A very well written character with many layers, complexity and so much wisdom in its diverse methods.
That’s bad ass man, good on you
 
0.1% case, lightning in a bottle. Does not apply to reality, or things done all the time.

You really think woman do not care about looks?

I really think it doesn't hurt to be handsome, but it's absolutely not that big a deal. Handsome alone will not get you laid, and if you can't attract women without the looks, you likely don't have the tools to pull one with them.

Guys who can talk, make women feel comfortable, and project confidence will get laid and develop relationships with much greater ease than a tall handsome guy who can't.
 
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