Crime Is it fair to say Liberals/Democrats are more tolerant/softer on crime?

cooks1 said:
Well........ right now............. the point of keeping people in a cage until they croak is because it costs 3-4 times less than putting them to death. Just the taxpayer funded portion of the cost of a capital punishment appeals process is enough to keep someone in prison for over 100 years. The average time LWOP inmates spend in prison before death is 39 years. And that's before you get into the logistics and all the other crap.

Do you know the average length of time between a death penalty sentence and an actual execution? 233 months. 19.4 YEARS. So even after we have put them to death after 19 years, we have still funded more than half of the cost of keeping them in jail until they croak. Hilarious!!

I'm going to invert the question and put it to you. What's the point of executing someone when it's 3-4 times more expensive than just keeping them in jail until they croak? It's not more of a deterrent. Seems to me this would be a good place for Elon Musk and DOGE to poke around.

Come back and see me when executions take a fraction of the time and cost a fraction of the amount of life sentences and we can talk again. I'll be on board. But be careful. There are a lot of places on the globe that have that system already. But you probably would not want to live in most of them.
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Long story short, take em out back and shoot em
 
F1980 said:
I moved to a nice area over a decade ago but it has been getting worse since covid because of all the people from other parts of California that have moved in. It has gotten especially bad since 2025. Now there is a very visible gang presence and there's also discussions held on the internet in two very different bubbles. There's a VERY stark difference between how people talk about it on the liberal sites like reddit and other sites that do not lean left.

it is incredible if not entertaining.

On the liberal end, people are saying just leave the gangs alone. That they usually do not target civilians and don't bother painting over their gang grafitti because they'll just come back and tag the wall again. Leave them alone, if you see them on the street, cross to the other side. Basically overall a very "hands off" approach

On Facebook where I see a lot of MAGA memes, it's the complete opposite. People want very harsh punishment, they're talking about how to crack down on it, and they're getting law enforcement involved.

But this isnt the only place I see evidence. I read it on here on the European migrant issue. On the migrant crime problem, conservative posters seem to want to cut immigration and support deportation. Liberal solution seems to be more financial support like welfare and more money for educating migrants.

Also when migrants got bussed to NYC and they were camping on the streets and subway if they're not housed in hotels. I saw a very hands off approach from Liberals. Basically just keep supporting the migrants financially whereas conservatives wanted them all rounded up and deported and the ones at the border stopped and turned back.
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Where do did you move to and what part of town?

It almost sounds like Denver.... lol

(I grew up in Lakewood, CO)

And the city is has changed for the worse over 30 years.
 
HereticBD said:
There' a severe lack of "those 34 felony counts were totally legit, and here's why" in that post.

Nice tantrum, though.
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No man, he a good boy, its all part of a big ass conspiracy, Trump is the most honest person in the world.
 
Rod1 said:
Trump University wasn't a fraud? he didn't stole money from charity either?
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And the tantrum continues...

I guess I'd be desperate to deflect away from trying to claim that those 34 felonies were in any way, shape, or form, legitimate charges that weren't a political hit job, if I had made such a silly claim.

Stay salty.
 
HereticBD said:
I guess I'd be desperate to deflect away from trying to claim that those 34 felonies were in any way, shape, or form, legitimate charges that weren't a political hit job, if I had made such a silly claim.
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the fuck are you on about? he was convicted by a jury in other charges he was indicted by a grand jury.
 
Rod1 said:
the fuck are you on about? he was convicted by a jury in other charges he was indicted by a grand jury.
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Now go do some reading and see how they arrived at those charges, and tell me it was totally legit. I suppose you also think the half a billion dollar fine he received in New York, was also just business as usual too, right?

Anyways, this is pointless. You can cling to this nonsense until your dying days for all I care. People(smarter people than yourself) saw through it for the sham it was, and elected him. You want to keep crying over it, like it makes a difference, go right ahead. Nobody cares.
 
Rod1 said:

You can read the indictment yourself.
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Now defend it. Tell me how they're totally normal charges, and weren't put together in order to hurt a political opponent. Sorry, but falsifying business records in an effort to cover up the crime of..."election interference" is a joke, and you know it. Or maybe you don't, and you're one of true blue morons in the minority that thinks those charges weren't politically motivated...

Like I said, it's already been hashed out with the public. You lost. It's over. You want to keep obsessing over something that's already been decided in the court of public opinion, knock yourself out.
 
Rod1 said:
Defend it how? you already believe trying to steal an election isn't a real crime.
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That's not what the 34 felony counts were about. Why are you always trying to deflect away from "muh 34 felony convictions"? It's almost like you know it's bullshit and don't want to embarrass yourself trying to justify them, or something...
 
HereticBD said:
That's not what the 34 felony counts were about. Why are you always trying to deflect away from "muh 34 felony convictions"? It's almost like you know it's bullshit and don't want to embarrass yourself trying to justify them, or something...
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When did i mentioned "34 felony convictions"?
 
nhbbear said:
I am sticking a curling iron up their ass and then turning it on. Other fun things to follow.

I have been teaching aspects of restorative justice and it makes me sick to hear some of the high points of such a concept. Sorry, an apology and an explanation don’t make the victim whole for violent crimes.
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Of course it doesn't. You gotta serve some time.
 
Rod1 said:
When did i mentioned "34 felony convictions"?
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You initially responded to a post mocking it, because you took issue with it being mocked. Why would you have done that if you agreed that they were bullshit?

Interesting that you're backing away now that I'm asking you to explain your position in detail and actually address those charges and argue for the merit behind them. Not that I'm under any allusions that your reasoning for supporting it is a nuanced one, and not simply "Blumph bad. Me no like orange cheeto taquito man".
 
Rod1 said:
the fuck are you on about? he was convicted by a jury in other charges he was indicted by a grand jury.
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A jury in a district that went 90% Biden...lol

Why else was it filed in that district. And shockingly... the judge refused to allow the trial to be moved.

Garbage case... lol. And you know it too. Fortunately voters saw through it as well.

Keep crying... Your girl Kamala got landslided despite these kangaroo cases. My god... broken records... get over it already. lol

{<jimmies}
 
HereticBD said:
You initially responded to a post mocking it, because you took issue with it being mocked. Why would you have done that if you agreed that they were bullshit?

Interesting that you're backing away now that I'm asking you to explain your position in detail and actually address those charges and argue for the merit behind them. Not that I'm under any allusions that your reasoning for supporting it is a nuanced one, and not simply "Blumph bad. Me no like orange cheeto taquito man".
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"Serious crimes aren't an issue when the person who commits serious crimes was also charged with a non-serious crime".

I don't understand your stupid ass logic man, this is like when they catch a guy for murder/rape and then someone comes and claims he was unfairly treated because when he was a teen he was charged for loitering or other minor issue.
 
Rod1 said:
"Serious crimes aren't an issue when the person who commits serious crimes was also charged with a non-serious crime".
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There were no serious crimes that were litigated. Best you got were those super serious 34 felony charges that you won't even defend, and a couple of civil suits that were also frankenstein'd into "Just for Trump" cases.

You got nothing.
 
HereticBD said:
Yes, when people think of Democrats who cheated on their wives, they think of John Edwards...and not that other nobody who got impeached over lying about an affair, and still left the office of the Presidency with a very high approval rating. Oh', I also believe this random nobody paid hush money to a whore he fucked as well...

How very moral of you to kick John Edwards to the curb, because you guys really care about infidelity, LOL.
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That other guy balanced the budget. He didn't blow up our economy. But weirdos like you will vilify the Clintons as literal murderers while shlobbing career conman Trump's scrotum.
 
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