is Islam's record now better than Khabib's?

[HuskySamoan]

Of course not, but that's not gonna matter to people who dont like him, or like someone better. Khabib didnt even lose to Tibau but people gonna bring that up til the end of time.

I will say that the best way to beat some of these Dagestanis is to get at them before they get as good as Khabib was in 2018 - 2020 or Islam is now.

Uhh, bringing up losses, controversial decisions, eras they fought in, strength of schedule pre title and during reign is how you evaluate careers and greatness. What the fuck are you talking about....Back when Khabib fought Tibau they scored pressure over everything Ala Diego vs Kampmann. That said, Tibau landed the takedowns, the cleaner strikers and the few more significant strikes...kinda shut Khabibs game down just a very low activity fight...in today's world it's likely a unanimous decision for Tibau. 5 out of 6 media scorecards were for Tibau. Islam got slumped by Martins, it's part of his legacy. Both these guys would eventually become worlds better than Tibau and Martins but it's still part of their careers.

 

[HHJ]

Uhh, bringing up losses, controversial decisions, eras they fought in, strength of schedule pre title and during reign is how you evaluate careers and greatness. What the fuck are you talking about....Back when Khabib fought Tibau they scored pressure over everything Ala Diego vs Kampmann. That said, Tibau landed the takedowns, the cleaner strikers and the few more significant strikes...kinda shut Khabibs game down just a very low activity fight...in today's world it's likely a unanimous decision for Tibau. 5 out of 6 media scorecards were for Tibau. Islam got slumped by Martins, it's part of his legacy. Both these guys would eventually become worlds better than Tibau and Martins but it's still part of their careers.

Hardly relevant in either guy's career. They both obviously got way better than that. It's like people bringing up Stipe's loss to Struve. Yeah that was then boys. Good luck trying to use that to evaluate him now. Time moves on!

Anyone even mentioning Tibau, this is just salt, it is the sourness, the panicked babbling of someone who picked the wrong side for too long, trying to find anything to say!

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Diego also rightfully won.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Khabib:
-long notice Conor
-LN Poirier
-LN Gaethje
-LN RDA
-LN Barboza
-SN Johnson
-SN Iaquinta

Islam:
-LN Oliveira
-LN Poirier
-LN Volkanovski
-SN Volkanovski
-SN Moicano
-SN Green
-SN Hooker

A lot of short-notice for Islam. Not his fault - since his opponents were pulling out injured - but he only has two long-notice wins against real elite LWs and 3 short-notice elite wins in general.
Khabib dominated long-notice fights the same way Islam dominated short-notice fights (because Islam didn't dominate Volk 1, Poirier or IMO Oliveira, although people will disagree with the last one).
I will say Islam's win over long-notice Oliveira is a higher quality win than anything on Khabib's résumé.

 

[HHJ]

Was Johnson short notice? was that a Tony fight that fell through? I forgot.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Was Johnson short notice? was that a Tony fight that fell through? I forgot.

Yeh 2-3 weeks notice https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/new...lls-toughest-fight-career-khabib-nurmagomedov

 

[RockyLockridge]

most certainly not

 

[joy2day]

I will say that the best way to beat some of these Dagestanis is to get at them before they get as good as Khabib was in 2018 - 2020 or Islam is now.

Your point being that Dagis are superior in general, and it is an inevitability that they will progress to unbeatability and dominate at all weight classes? Dagis in MMA are like black people in the 100 meters?

Seems far-fetched. Even the two top fighters you mention have a way to go before they prove they are beyond other GOAT champions. I mean objectively speaking in terms of beating top contenders and champs that have been highly successful (beating ranked fighters, fighters above your weight, etc.); they aren't at the level of the GSP, Jones, Anderson, Fedor, etc.

You are still only hypothesizing.

 

[HHJ]

Your point being that Dagis are superior in general, and it is an inevitability that they will progress to unbeatability and dominate at all weight classes? Dagis in MMA are like black people in the 100 meters? Seems far-fetched. Even the two top fighters you mention have a way to go before they prove they are beyond other GOAT champions. I mean objectively speaking in terms of beating top contenders and champs that have been highly successful (beating ranked fighters, fighters above your weight, etc.); they aren't at the level of the GSP, Jones, Anderson, Fedor, etc. You are still only hypothesizing.

"Some of these Dagestanis****"

 

[Skarsgard]

Not at all. Both guys will be legends after they retire, but Khabib clearly takes it for me.
They have two common opponents.
Tibau was still juiced to hell and at his best when he fought Khabib. Khabib still squeaked out the win. Islam fought his ghost years later and won by KO.
The other is Dustin Poirier. Dustin had nothing for Khabib. He was broken and quickly submitted. Islam struggled with him and pulled off a nasty sub late in a back-and-forth fight.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Yes.
Imo Islam's UFC career is BETTER then Khabib's.

Funny how Khabib turned down Aldo and the interim LW title because he didn't want to be a "weight bully" but 2 of Islam's title defenses are against Volk a 145 pound fighter. But that's nether here nor there.

 

[markg171]

Always has been

(neither have that crazy of records so who cares)

 

[ILove4MinutesHyuna]

29-0 versus 27-1

His record is not better.

If you are arguing for better resume then you need a different thread title.

 

[10000yearsold]

Paddy Pimblet - can't stand the guy, and I think he's overrating himself, but, given his grappling prowess... I think that would be interesting.

Funny, I have disliked everything about him as well up until his shockingly great performance against Bobby Green, but that’s just Bobby Green.
Paddy is at least two big marquee fights out from being considered a serious title contender IMO. And by that time, which would be like a year from now, I would Islam is taking on upper weight class challenges.
Like what’s he’s supposed to do in the meantime? Just keeping the lightweight division look like a can crush lottery? I like watching Islam fight and I really respect his ability to upkeep such stellar focus while crushing top contenders like cans, but how long can someone stay hungry for that? I wanna see a real challenge.

 

[markg171]

29-0 versus 27-1

His record is not better.

If you are arguing for better resume then you need a different thread title.

15 fight UFC win streak > 13 fight UFC win streak
5-0 UFC title fights > 4-0 UFC title fights
4 title defences > 3 title defences

Hope this helps

 

[markg171]

Yes.
Imo Islam's UFC career is BETTER then Khabib's.

Funny how Khabib turned down Aldo and the interim LW title because he didn't want to be a "weight bully" but 2 of Islam's title defenses are against Volk a 145 pound fighter. But that's nether here nor there.

Correct.

(It was about the stylistic matchups)

 

[JKS]

Not at all, he still has that KO loss vs a nobody and 2 of those title defenses were against a guy from the lower division where he got beat up the first time they fought and second one was short notice for the midget. Unless he can go back in time and erase that loss,his record will always be worse than Khabib’s perfect one.

And also just imagine Khabib vs Charles or Volk,he’d have slaughtered those poor guys…

Oh I don’t know about that. Islam is a tougher match up for Charles than Khabib. Charles would have better shot at beating Khabib than Islam.

 

[Mike]

No because he got sparked out by a nobody. Hasn't done enough to erase that yet.

 

[Lycandroid]

I don't think he has surpassed Khabib yet but it is inevitable at this point.

 

[WhiteMousse]

No, but it's not his fault. I don't think he picked the Volk fights.

Regardless I can't really say his record is better when like half of his defenses are against featherweights

 

[Feaser]

Yes. His record is way better. It was not exactly a high bar to surpass.