In 2005, Top 3 lightweights were better than the ones in 2021.

[PunchyMcSplodo]

Just to follow up on my previous posts on this thread:

Gaethje lands literally twice as many sig. strikes per minute as Gomi (almost 8 vs almost 4), with much better accuracy than him (60% vs 40%). Unlike many other volume strikers, especially in Gomi's time, Gaethje lands with power at that pace, and he can keep it up for 5 rounds.

On top of that, Gaethje has better footwork and positioning than Gomi, throws more complicated combos, and has more varied attacks. I doubt Gomi would even have an answer for the calf kicks, especially given how Justin can throw them even close up (very rare, even nowadays).

Anyone who thinks Gomi would run right through him is insane.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Nick Diaz could beat a lot of them too.

Younge Diaz is a brutal match up for Dustin.

 

[kekiss]

tell me in detail what's new in modern mma little boy I want to know, what are the new techniques?!

Jab still a Jab, Wrestling still Wrestling and an kick it's still a kick.

it would be interesting to see Justin on Pride, I would pay to see him get a football kick or "illegal Knees"



UFC has many rules :

Pride was a real fight simulation more perfect than ufc.

Little boy, haha make yourself a more of a clown, yeah feinting, punches not being telegraphed that much, and superior conditioning doesn’t count i guess, but i get that you can’t look at anything not Pride related without foaming from your mouth. Also opponent quality doesn’t count as well for you?

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

They look big because they were fighting at 160?

I know that, Mach was huge comparable to everyone else in the devision

 

[ryun253]

2021 goes 9-0 with ease.


Gomi doesn't beat anyone above a prelim /Contender Series 2021 fighter. Probably the most overrated fighter ever.

He was pretty much was original JG at the time. Started as a wrestler then transitioned into a brawler

 

[NoSmilez]

I know that, Mach was huge comparable to everyone else in the devision

He usually fought at 170. He was also training with Americans by then. Perhaps he was cutting more weight than others. He was short but he had tree trunk legs. You have guys like Ishida that is really undersized. Mac Danzig is another one that Sakurai dwarfed. I get what you are saying because nobody ever missed weight in Pride. That is statistically unlikely vs how many weight misses we see nowadays. I can only remember one time someone missed weight in Japanese MMA and they changed her win to a N/C or loss.

 

[TheNinja]

Prime Sakurai for anyone who missed it.

Poor Olaf always in highlight reel KOs...lol

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Bitch BJ Prime>>>all

OMG he checked 2 kicks.

 

[kflo]

but, but, but what about the evolution of mma?! is it all a big lie?!

No. It’s real.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

BJ is the only one who wouldnt be 0-3 against the 2021 guys imho.

 

[pankrat]

Oliveira
Porier
Gathje

vs

Gomi
Sakurai - If you don't know, the only guy to have fought Hughes AND Android Silva.
BJ
.

If Gaethje fights as he did Luis Palomino back in WSOF, he probably lose to Gomi.

This mature, polished and disciplined Gaethje dismantle any version of Gomi with pace and leg kicks who would mess with Gomi's standup badly as he used to step very heavy in the lead leg.

So you think they will outstrike Gomi. The only one who outstruck Gomi during first ten years of his career: None.
.

Gomi in his early years wasnt a striker, he used his wrestling base to grind out Ws

 

[pankrat]

Both Gomi and Mach looked huge when fighting in Japan, them closed door weigh ins may have had something to do with that. Mach was huge and missed weight by a considerable amount when fighting in the US

Mach was huge? What are you talking about, dude?
He looked a full weightclass lighter than Matt Hughes

 

[JoeRowe]

Nostalgia is a blinder

 

[RainyMonday]

I agree honestly, and this isn't only true of LW. I'd say LW, WW, MW, LHW, & HW are all weaker right now than they have been in previous generations, with a few exceptions at the very highest end (Usman & Khabib come to mind). The evolution of MMA is an absolute myth.

 

[pankrat]

I agree honestly, and this isn't only true of LW. I'd say LW, WW, MW, LHW, & HW are all weaker right now than they have been in previous generations, with a few exceptions at the very highest end (Usman & Khabib come to mind). The evolution of MMA is an absolute myth.

A myth?

The evolution of MAA is an idea shared by large most if not everyone involved in the sport. Fighters, COACHES, promoters, COACHES, referees, COACHES, basically everyone who actually know whats what first hand.

On the other hand, you got iddle dudes in the internet pretending there is no evolution in training methods, conditioning and talent pool relative to 15 years ago. Discussing about in a karate forum.

Tell us about myths

 

[kflo]

I agree honestly, and this isn't only true of LW. I'd say LW, WW, MW, LHW, & HW are all weaker right now than they have been in previous generations, with a few exceptions at the very highest end (Usman & Khabib come to mind). The evolution of MMA is an absolute myth.

of course it's a myth. why would more people training globally, with more money in the sport, more mainstream coverage, with better coaches and camps possibly lead to better fighters?

 

[Dog Gynecologist]

Jack Johnson would murder Tyson Fury....


...In a car accident, Jack Johnson was a pretty irresponsible driver

 

[ThunderStruck]

Nick Diaz could beat a lot of them too.

Younge Diaz is a brutal match up for Dustin.

Hes a hard matchup for Oliveira too.

 

[RainyMonday]

A myth?

The evolution of MAA is an idea shared by large most if not everyone involved in the sport. Fighters, COACHES, promoters, COACHES, referees, COACHES, basically everyone who actually know whats what first hand.

On the other hand, you got iddle dudes in the internet pretending there is no evolution in training methods, conditioning and talent pool relative to 15 years ago. Discussing about in a karate forum.

Tell us about myths

lol @ listing coaches 3 times as if they're not in the business of pedaling crap to wannabe fighters

The "evolution of mma" is sort of a broad term that can be interpreted in different ways. Has the sport "evolved" in that different, more encompassing training philosophies have been adopted? Sure. But the idea that this "evolution" has produced some sort of linear progression in the quality of fighters as time goes on is just nonsense.

I generally wouldn't go as far back as 15 years, but for the most part, the elites of the divisions 5-10 years ago were better than the elites today. I could list dozens of examples, but I feel like this should be fairly evident when we have guys like 44 year old Glover and Vettori fighting for (and winning) belts in 2021.

 

[Bubzeh]

Some seriously old dudes in this thread.