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In 2005, Top 3 lightweights were better than the ones in 2021.

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  1. 1BadMF Green Belt

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    Those 3 in 2005 would not stand a chance against the 2021 LW <DisgustingHHH>
     
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  2. pankrat Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    I obviously listed coaches three times and in capital letters intentionally. Since coaches around the world improve their craft and learn from each other, and young athletes benefit of it. Denying this is not being realistic, period.

    If there is a reson why the elites from few years ago were arguably better than today is mainly due to stronger anti-doping policies. Anyways, this trend is only possible in the upper weight-classes, since there was already money i there some years ago but from LW and lighter weightclass its clearly better today than 10 years ago
     
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  3. Herwald Red Belt

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    I'd love to see Oliveira, Porier and Gaethje under no USADA with 2005 testing.
     
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  4. Blayt7hh Steel Belt

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    Gomi vs Justin is about the only matchup I think 2005 could win. I don’t favor him either, I just give him a decent shot because he hit like a truck and Justin has a tendency to eat shots on the chin

    I love all those guys but it really is a different era from 2005.
     
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  5. MartinGibson86 Black Belt

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    Prime BJ lost to Jens Pulver and drew with Caol Uno.


    I'm sure hd beats goday's best tho
     
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  6. MartinGibson86 Black Belt

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    The Diaz you're speaking of was butchered by Noons and gifted a SD over Mike Aina.


    Was ElieXC 160 od 155?
     
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  7. kingofthecans Orange Belt

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    Back in the day when ya heard someone was fighting Gomi it was like you were going to watch someone die in the ring possibly. Sean Strickland would approve.

    <{Red Card}>
     
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  8. pankrat Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Washed up BJ went to a draw with Jon Fitch, who still 10 years later at 40 years old argualy beat the Bellator WW champion and would be a nightmare for any LW today
     
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  9. humdizzle Brown Belt

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    different times. people didn't know anything about nutrition, conditioning, sparring, cte, weight cutting like they do today.

    if prime edgar was inserted into the UFC today he's not even top 10 LW, probably get tooled up by everyone at FW too.
     
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    Ban this dude
     
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  11. Superzorro Goddess of War

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    Back when winging wide hooks like that with your chin up in the air was considered to be technical.
     
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  12. Bruce Lee666 Brown Belt

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    Justin defense is shit!!

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    now tell me do you think Justin would last 1 round against Lyoto Prime?! Motivated BJ is a monster soo badass, he fought better against Lyoto than many LHW.

    here comes a clown like you and tell me that Justin is more evolved than BJ peen<mma3>


    Bj prime>>>any version of CTE Justin!!<mma4>

     
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    Time in the sports and number of fights is more important than age and Gomi had 12 years and 37 fights.

    The list of guys still in their fighting prime with that kind of body of work is pretty damn short.
     
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  14. VitorReem Geralt of Rivia

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    Lots of old school dudes in every division could slap around the new guys but everyone will keep calling you an idiot because they didn’t watch mma then and they’re obsessed with the newest shiniest thing shoved in their face everyday
     
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  15. JustOnce Itami

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    I know.

    No, Gomi doesn't lose shootouts. Leg kicks are a bit worriesome, but Gomi doesn't lose a slugfest.
     
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  16. Big Tuppy Hole Gold Belt

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    He looked huge in Pride alot thicker than everyone he fought
     
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    Early in his career. Wouldn't you say he improved a lot by the time he beat Hughes for the WW title? He had a real close fight with GSP. And then of course he was probably at his absolute best and most dominant during his Lightweight title reign.
     
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    He looked big vs Pulver who is a bantam but didnt look huge at all for a LW man, ever, not even vs Gomi who is a small LW himself.
    Sakurai had BIG balls for fighting all the WW-MWs he fought
     
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  19. pankrat Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Saying "doesnt lose shootouts" is a vague idea that doesnt tell much about how he'd handle this recent version of Gaethje who yeah, uses leg kicks a lot and mercilessly.
     
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    I love how

    (a) the posters who're rightfully pointing out that the elite fighters in the deepest divisions today are superior to fighters from 16 years ago use a lot of technical analysis about technique and concrete stats to prove their points conclusively

    (B) the old school meathead response to all these facts is "Derp, you must not have watched Pride" and maybe some isolated GIFs from old school fighters' best moments and new school fighters' worst.

    Gomi literally fought at half the pace of Gaethje (and I mean literally half in terms of significant strikes landed per minute), had 20% worse accuracy, used worse footwork, threw less sophisticated combos, had a worse finishing rate, and had less tools to use in the standup overall.

    He's still entertaining to watch when flipping through old Pride vids, but let's be real, bro.
     
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