International Illegals are self deporting in numbers never seen before

[BFoe]

Democrats don't want to help people, they want slaves, like they used to have.

By keeping the people as illegals instead of as legals you can pay them below minimum wage and no benefits. They can't complain.

This is such a dumb talking point on so many levels.

42% of farm workers are undocumented—are states like Iowa, Nebraska, Indiana, Texas, and North Carolina “Dem states”? Even my state, WI, may have a Dem Governor but we’re pretty divided politically and Trump won the state in 2 of the 3 elections he ran in.

Secondly, it’s not terribly hard to rectify this wage problem—just pass a law. I can’t imagine Dems will fight it (assuming it has no right wing bullshit attached to it), we consistently support raising wages for workers. Hell, we’ve been trying to get the federal minimum wage raised for years, and who blocks that every time? Republicans.

Thirdly, it’s laughable to act like you care about their conditions when your boy is sending them to foreign gulags without due process from which they have no viable path out. Give me a break with this shit.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

This is such a dumb talking point on so many levels.

42% of farm workers are undocumented—are states like Iowa, Nebraska, Indiana, Texas, and North Carolina “Dem states”? Even my state, WI, may have a Dem Governor but we’re pretty divided politically and Trump won the state in 2 of the 3 elections he ran in.

Secondly, it’s not terribly hard to rectify this wage problem—just pass a law. I can’t imagine Dems will fight it (assuming it has no right wing bullshit attached to it), we consistently support raising wages for workers. Hell, we’ve been trying to get the federal minimum wage raised for years, and who blocks that every time? Republicans.

Thirdly, it’s laughable to act like you care about their conditions when your boy is sending them to foreign gulags without due process from which they have no viable path out. Give me a break with this shit.

I responded to the post that way as that person clearly saw the Left platform as the answer to lives problems.

But yes, of course the Republicans aren't going to do anything about it, they love the system just as much, maybe even more.

 

[chardog]

My ex-gf's mom came like 7 years ago and she recently became a citizen last year. Calling BS that it's impossible.

I'd say it's very difficult to even qualify

h1b's, you gotta be skilled, like come from a wealthy family to start
business, you really skilled
marriage, that muffin is worth the pump
inlaws of said marriage, this takes an extremely long time, much quicker for parents
student, your family needs major funds, from my understanding it can be permanent if you join the military.

 

[lsa]

Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace. In many cases the Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy are applying for those jobs. This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114670684664650262

 

[cheesus]

Go to China then, see how fast you get deported.

Just got back from there actually, didn't see too many non-Asian migrants, met a Nigerian student there though that was a trip, didn't see anyone overdosing or defecating in the street unlike when I went to the U.S

 

[mozfonky]

Just got back from there actually, didn't see too many non-Asian migrants, met a Nigerian student there though that was a trip, didn't see anyone overdosing or defecating in the street unlike when I went to the U.S

I believe it but it might not be for the reasons you think (no social problems/decadence) I asked a chinese guy, "why do you guys want to come here, it's fucked up!" And I mentioned all the crazies that he can see right outside his business anytime he takes a look. I told him, "we generated these people, they are ours, what does that say about us?" In other words, I was just saying we're not up to the propaganda these people are getting on boats and avoiding sharks for. But I was interested in his answer when I asked, "you don't have these fuckups on the streets do you?" he told me that they have them but that they don't tolerate them in the cities, they'll force them to go to whatever little village they came from to act a fool. It made sense, I know that most of our derelicts come from the small towns where the resources aren't there to feed and shelter them so they come to these liberal cities and shit all over, leave trash all over, take drugs. Anyways, he did say that they had the spastics too but that they keep them out of sight, I found it interesting.

Our homeless, they have gotten so aggressive, attacking firemen who come to assist someone injured and all kinds of wacky shit, just madness. They aren't going anywhere as long as they can get their drugs and camp on the streets. And honestly, we always had bums and homeless but it's just no comparison to what it is today, I think it's more existential than anything, people who are totally faithless in anything and WE made them that way.

 

[Broke Lester]

Just got back from there actually, didn't see too many non-Asian migrants, met a Nigerian student there though that was a trip, didn't see anyone overdosing or defecating in the street unlike when I went to the U.S

Yeah everywhere seems nice when your a tourist.

They just make the drugs and ship them out to poison other countries and flush who knows what chemicals into the worlds water supplies, but the streets were clean at least.

Did you criticize their country when you were there?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The citizens are even more taken care of by the state proactively regulating the demographics rather than using a purely capitalist model which regulates itself via the economy getting shitty. Especially when we know how much businesses manipulate the system. The state is like a super union that can stand up to super bosses, I.e. magnates.

Not gonna get arguments about the role the state should have in economic matters from me.

This is why the Soviet Union was the second superpower in the world throughout the 20th century while bringing in almost no immigrants.

Obviously there are a ton of other problems with that model but the point remains- when your economy is focused on providing all citizens with employment rather than on maximizing efficiency and profits, things move differently.

 

[Blastbeat]

It's not that the line is long, for the vast majority there is no line. It's impossible to enter or stay legally.

This is a great chart and should be pinned to the top of every immigration thread, IMO:

Larger version: https://reason.com/2008/09/24/new-at-reason-mike-flynn-shikh/

cool chart

this is just a gut feeling, but i think the legal immigration process could be helped by focusing on employing more people in agencies that deal with that process. their backlogs must be insane. if those jobs were more incentivized with better pay and benefits, we might not have such a logjam

 

[Possum Jenkins]

cool chart

this is just a gut feeling, but i think the legal immigration process could be helped by focusing on employing more people in agencies that deal with that process. their backlogs must be insane. if those jobs were more incentivized with better pay and benefits, we might not have such a logjam

Yeah, it'd help some but it wouldn't make any significant improvements, IMO.

Big agricultural companies might look at formal hiring agencies but the vast majority of employers of undocumented people are medium and small businesses. They might need, say, construction workers for a few projects for a few months, but they can't guarantee 1 year of full employment, a specific salary, certain benefits, etc., so they'll be far less inclined to go through a hiring agency.

Same with mom-and-pop restaurants, cleaning services, bars and clubs, etc.

 

[Blastbeat]

Yeah, it'd help some but it wouldn't make any significant improvements, IMO.

Big agricultural companies might look at formal hiring agencies but the vast majority of employers of undocumented people are medium and small businesses. They might need, say, construction workers for a few projects for a few months, but they can't guarantee 1 year of full employment, a specific salary, certain benefits, etc., so they'll be far less inclined to go through a hiring agency.

Same with mom-and-pop restaurants, cleaning services, bars and clubs, etc.

then those businesses who entice people to come here illegally should be fined and punished.

maybe those businesses need to just hire people from their area, even if it means paying them more. i understand margins are tight in a small business, but having a de-facto underclass of illegal workers not only takes jobs away from Americans but also creates a large population of people who cannot fully integrate into the country because of their status.

Americans have become far too comfortable with illegal immigrants doing the jobs that they dont want to do. that mentality needs a paradigm shift. we cannot afford to become too soft and lazy as a society, but i fear we are already headed there.

logically following that, the economic environment needs to become easier for smaller businesses to get off the ground. politicians from both sides of the aisle talk about the greatness of American small businesses endlessly but those same parties voted for NAFTA en masse which gutted American blue collar industries. and also both pass laws that are favorable to large corporations at the expense of small businesses.

 

[cheesus]

Yeah everywhere seems nice when your a tourist.

They just make the drugs and ship them out to poison other countries and flush who knows what chemicals into the worlds water supplies, but the streets were clean at least.

Did you criticize their country when you were there?

Not really, I mean I was in tourist areas in the U.S and saw plenty of nasty shit.

I was in Wuhan and Changsha, which are not exactly major touristy areas didn't really see much of that, get the occasional sewerage smell which is an issue in most Asian countries and it's no worse than the common smells among a place like Los Angeles, like most non-Western countries I didn't drink the water but even when I was in America there were places were the tap water made me sick or tasted funny.

Criticize about what and to who? I wasn't there to virtue signal. Barely anyone speaks English outside of HK and during my time there I didn't really have much to criticize aside from some of their payment apps giving me the occasional issue.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If people here illegally want to self deport that's fine I guess.

But if someone is here illegally and is gainfully employed, living by the law, working and spending, there is virtually 0.00 utility in their leaving. And that describes the vast majority of people here illegally.

I don't think the cartel drug dealers here illegally will be choosing to self deport LOL.

Not everyone here illegally is looking to say permanently
Can’t tell you how many I’ve met that plan on returning home
What takes us 30yrs to build and retire from, takes them 5-10
A nice little ranch, on some property, to call your own…
Goddamn, I might self deport too

 

[Sinister]

Here's some more fap material for the xenophobes:

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/army-vet-and-purple-heart-recipient-self-deports-after-48-years-in-u-s/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLKfKBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHrwSsMjU8hk2r3JQnimxi6iax0S9PJoMYT7gUUTxXNCI_CNJff3-PkfE4rOe_aem_HTS9kMOdVLtF9xyDOECJKg

 

[Rob Battisti]

Here's some more fap material for the xenophobes:

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/army-vet-and-purple-heart-recipient-self-deports-after-48-years-in-u-s/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLKfKBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHrwSsMjU8hk2r3JQnimxi6iax0S9PJoMYT7gUUTxXNCI_CNJff3-PkfE4rOe_aem_HTS9kMOdVLtF9xyDOECJKg

Crack cocaine

 

[Sinister]

Crack cocaine

Drug use being illegal is stupid.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Drug use being illegal is stupid.

Eh didn’t work out in Portland too well

 

[Fergelmince]

Not everyone here illegally is looking to say permanently
Can’t tell you how many I’ve met that plan on returning home
What takes us 30yrs to build and retire from, takes them 5-10
A nice little ranch, on some property, to call your own…
Goddamn, I might self deport too

Classic economic and welfare benefits exploitation. they don't give a flying fuck about the US culture, local norms, laws, or anything else having to do with assimilation and long term benefit. That's why they need to GTFO. They want all the economic goodies, but send their earning outside the US economy, and ultimately invest in assets in their home country where the local government taxes them and the local economy benefits off any residuals, interest, pension or other things they earned during their prime exploitation years.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Or maybe they realize its not really an advantage living state side anymore. Things have changed.

 

[lifelessheap]

If an illegal alien self deports themselves, I think they should be given preference when trying to come back the legal way.

Even over someone who never violated US immigration law?