Opinion I just watched American Factory on Netflix, The Chinese are the perfect villain to Union hero's

[VivaRevolution]

I seen it. All I could think about is how the Chinese have such drive to work compared to the Americans.

Go work for Mao then like your heroes.

 

[Magooglie]

I'm looking forward to the Unions made by robots.

 

[86'd]

Unions are trash

Murican workers are worthless lazy fat shits.

I hate China and commies but damn they would push muricas shit in if not for the US military might and industiral complex backing it.

You’re trash.

My last 3 physicals I was at 9 percent body fat, resting pulse of 53, and I scored above and beyond on the cardio and maxed out their weight tests. So yeah I got documentation. I’m more jacked then you brah.

I operate equipment, I labor, I set grades, help survey. Work 12-14 hour days in the peaks of the season.

God forbid I ask for benefits, a middle class wage, and a lunch break.

India and China has a bunch of uneducated slaves that don’t stand up for themselves.

Why the fuck you would wish that type of civilization and way of life upon Americans is completely unacceptable and unpatriotic in my eyes.

You’re a little bitch

 

[86'd]

Oh, when you voted Republican. They are openly anti Union. And you are openly pro Republican. 2 + 2 = 4. Also, I just enjoy pissing you off.

Some republicans are anti-union some are not. Same as democrats. Historically democrats were all pro-union and republicans were not. Things have been changing now.

My union has endorsed plenty of Republicans that have helped to keep "right to work" out of my state.

IMO the democrat party needs to stop worrying about the rights of illegal immigrants and the whole gay-trans B.S. and re-align their focus back to that of the working middle class. If they want to make it so its easier to legally immigrate to America, fine go ahead, but maybe also start a program educating these new immigrants to working rights so they're not just bringing them in to be taken advantage of by a corporate company who shall hire them at a lower wages and which essentially is helping to wipe the middle class out.

I'm talking about companies like 3M and Abbott medical etc. Once held union middle class wage level jobs but were wiped out by immigration.

Then these immigrant families have to pile up in homes and all share paying a mortgage with each other because they're unaware how the cost of living is higher here so although it seems like good money to them at first, they age and begin to realize they can't afford to not bring more family members here. They have children, those children are not covered by a company ran medical insurance plan. So then they apply through the state covered programs. Then the man of the house who's name is on the mortgage gets fed up with some of his family members and kicks them out, they have to go find refuge at a shelter etc. I could go on and on

Furthermore I'd like to see the Democrats or Republicans introduce 'earn while you learn' programs revolving around the trades in areas deemed "high risk"

Places like south Chicago and Detroit. I'd like to see recruitment or jail programs that get guys into the trades and pays them a wage to get up on their feet then also gives them the opportunity to attend schooling thats paid for through their union dues so they can educate themselves, increase their pay, maybe some start companies and recruit the children of boys they used to hang out. That IMO would be a way to "improve" crime ridden areas. Give them a job that's honorable. One that could make them a homeowner

 

[PubliusVentidius]

Same shit, according to you most jobs will disappear yet productivity will remain the same, whats the fucking problem then? we will work less hours, things will be dirt cheap and the country will have more welfare.

I dont see a fucking issue with your scenario.

Not sure if serious. First of all the axiom that a rise in productivity means working less hours is disproven by history, if anything it's the opposite, industrial wage workers work way more than pre-industrial workers did, despite enjoying an abudance of cheap commodities that pre-industrial people didn't.
Also, why the fuck would capitalists lower the worked hours to their workers just because of a rise in productivity? They are not humanitarians, they are out to maximize profits. Worker rights like the eight hour day were hard fought for decades, compelled by law and the outcome of class conflict, not something the capitalists willingly gave to the workers out of the goodness of their hearts because of a rise in productivity.
Case in point: https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

''Most Americans believe that a rising tide should lift all boats—that as the economy expands, everybody should reap the rewards. And for two-and-a-half decades beginning in the late 1940s, this was how our economy worked. Over this period, the pay (wages and benefits) of typical workers rose in tandem with productivity (how much workers produce per hour). In other words, as the economy became more efficient and expanded, everyday Americans benefited correspondingly through better pay. But in the 1970s, this started to change.

Since 1979, pay and productivity have diverged.
From 1979 to 2018, net productivity rose 69.6 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 11.6 percent over 39 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.

Why this happened—and how we can fix it
Rising productivity provides the potential for substantial growth in the pay for the vast majority. However, this potential has been squandered in recent decades. The income, wages, and wealth generated over the last four decades have failed to “trickle down” to the vast majority largely because policy choices made on behalf of those with the most income, wealth, and power have exacerbated inequality. In essence, rising inequality has prevented potential pay growth from translating into actual pay growth for most workers. The result has been wage stagnation.''

OK, AI makes 90% of jobs obsolete while still producing the same wealth as before, its just a matter of simply wondering how to redistribute that wealth.

Yes tovarish Rod1, the same people who siphon away trillions in tax havens and lobby politicians to get even bigger tax cuts for themselves while paying billions to fund propaganda demonizing any public program and service and promoting privatization, trickle down and laissez faire are going to somehow ''redistribuite their private wealth'' to society at large once automation and productivity grow even more. I don't think you realize how capitalism works. The profitability of technology is a contradiction for the capitalists, if efficiency cuts into their profits they'd rather artificially undermine efficiency (thru planned obsolescence and artificial scarcity for instance) rather than increase productivity and ''redistribuite that wealth''. Also stop bashing socialism while proposing socialism at the same time, you look like a schizophrenic.

 

[AndroidRage]

Some republicans are anti-union some are not. Same as democrats. Historically democrats were all pro-union and republicans were not. Things have been changing now.

My union has endorsed plenty of Republicans that have helped to keep "right to work" out of my state.

IMO the democrat party needs to stop worrying about the rights of illegal immigrants and the whole gay-trans B.S. and re-align their focus back to that of the working middle class. If they want to make it so its easier to legally immigrate to America, fine go ahead, but maybe also start a program educating these new immigrants to working rights so they're not just bringing them in to be taken advantage of by a corporate company who shall hire them at a lower wages and which essentially is helping to wipe the middle class out.

I'm talking about companies like 3M and Abbott medical etc. Once held union middle class wage level jobs but were wiped out by immigration.

Then these immigrant families have to pile up in homes and all share paying a mortgage with each other because they're unaware how the cost of living is higher here so although it seems like good money to them at first, they age and begin to realize they can't afford to not bring more family members here. They have children, those children are not covered by a company ran medical insurance plan. So then they apply through the state covered programs. Then the man of the house who's name is on the mortgage gets fed up with some of his family members and kicks them out, they have to go find refuge at a shelter etc. I could go on and on

Furthermore I'd like to see the Democrats or Republicans introduce 'earn while you learn' programs revolving around the trades in areas deemed "high risk"

Places like south Chicago and Detroit. I'd like to see recruitment or jail programs that get guys into the trades and pays them a wage to get up on their feet then also gives them the opportunity to attend schooling thats paid for through their union dues so they can educate themselves, increase their pay, maybe some start companies and recruit the children of boys they used to hang out. That IMO would be a way to "improve" crime ridden areas. Give them a job that's honorable. One that could make them a homeowner

The Republican party is and has been very anti Union. They are the ones pushing right to work laws and doing what they can to undermine and dismantle Unions. Establishment Dems talk about being pro Union but many don't do shit except take donations. So you have establishment dems and repubs who concentrate most of their time arguing over trivial shit while ignoring anything economic that effects the working class. They focus on bathrooms, and illegal immigration. They never have any discussion like what you brought up. But in all this time someone who really gave a fuck about any if these problems should have. Or thinking that if they went after employers hard for hiring illegals it would stop people trying to co.e here illegally for work. They never think of these things because they have no intention of really doing anything about them. All the heated discussions about trivial shit is to distract us from the fact that both sides serve the same ultra wealthy corporate masters. And there is only one movement out there that will actually do anything about it.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

Obama never said I'd be shooting up churches in a few years.

Neither did Yang. You're a mirror image of the people you hate.

 

[Seano]

Neither did Yang. You're a mirror image of the people you hate.

Yes ,he did.

"And who is going to be the boogeyman of the next 10 to 20 years? Who's going to be the great rival to the United States in the eyes of American society? China, that's right. And so, what do you think the attitude is going to be over time for the shrinking, insecure white majority that's losing their jobs for, let's say, Chinese Americans or Asian Americans? I don't — l personally — I said to a group at Harvard, I think we're one generation away from falling into the same camps as that the Jews who were attacked in a synagogue in Pittsburgh like just a couple months. So we're probably one generation away from an American shooting up a bunch of Asians saying like, damn the Chinese, because there's a giant Cold War even more with China. That is the great danger that I fear that my children are going to grow up in."

(Via Twitter)

He feels we're a generation away from the "insecure white majority" shooting up Asian churches. Not sure what you think he's saying there. He identified the enemy, the victim and the reason for a fictional future atrocity.

 

[Rod1]

Not sure if serious. First of all the axiom that a rise in productivity means working less hours is disproven by history, if anything it's the opposite, industrial wage workers work way more than pre-industrial workers did, despite enjoying an abudance of cheap commodities that pre-industrial people didn't.

This is ridiculous we work less hours than ever, i mean back in the XVIII people worked 10 hours in backbreaking agricultural labor just to barely get enough food to eat.

 

[Confucamus]

I'm referring to being called a Bernie Bro. By itself no problem. But MSM has now mixed it together in a 24 hour news cycle with brown shirts and communist death squads with the two worst references aimed directly at Bernie the only progressive Jew running. Again not normally an issue but they keep mixing it together while also adding anti-Semitic undertones while mixing in terms that remind me of the time Bibi helped incite people against Rabin which lead to Rabin's assassination.

That shit isn't a joke.

It is not a joke. You're getting a glimpse of what President Trump and his supporters have been saying for about 4 years now. Labelling people racist, or xenophobic, facist, Nazi, etc. simply because they have political differences than you is now the horrible norm that the MSM helped create. You see it on this forum as well.

 

[PubliusVentidius]

This is ridiculous we work less hours than ever, i mean back in the XVIII people worked 10 hours in backbreaking agricultural labor just to barely get enough food to eat.

10 hours would have been considered part-time in the first 150 years of industrialization where workers worked 16/18 hours a day, children as young as 7 included. It's pretty well estabilished that pre-industrial workers worked less hours than industrial workers did: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

Emphasis on: ''During slack periods, which accounted for a large part of the year, adherence to regular working hours was not usual. According to Oxford Professor James E. Thorold Rogers[1], the medieval workday was not more than eight hours. The worker participating in the eight-hour movements of the late nineteenth century was "simply striving to recover what his ancestor worked by four or five centuries ago."

Anyway, If an increase in productivity led to a reduction in the worked hours for the worker we would've already moved on from the 8 hour workday that was estabilished more than a century ago as we have seen a dramatic rise in productivity since then, didn't happen and won't happen, if anything the trend nowadays is toward working more and more since the cost of living is ever-rising and wages haven't kept up. Plus the pervasive neoliberal zeitgeist of the last decades makes any pro-labor policy seem like some dangerous utopia, look at the response Corbyn got for the 4 day workweek he proposed during the last elections in Britain, that despite the fact that there is research showing that a shorter workweek actually increases productivity.

 

[djacobox372]

Unions can literally negotiate that robots don't get brought in.

They could negotiate that other work that has been outsourced is brought in house to replace the jobs that are lost to automation.

They can negotiate that you receive re-training, if your job is lost to automation.

Unions are the only god damn thing that can save you from what is coming.

The problem isn't robots being brought into do the work of workers.... last I checked most people would choose not to work if they could afford it.

The problem is how we distribute the wealth created by the culmination of the last 5000 years of human achievement and discovery. Why should the bezo's of the world get all the spoils of the technology that took countless generations to produce?

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Viva kinda lost his marbles in the past few months. He was very argumentative