How would a Hagler/Hearns 2 fight have gone?

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I was just watching some more Hearns fights today, and got to thinking. Could he have beaten Hagler if they had fought again? I don't think it would be as exciting of a fight as the first one, with Hearns using his jab more.

I would say Hagler KO's him in 11.
 
That's possible, but I think it would end sooner.

Hearns said that he went ballistic because Hagler came right at him. I imagine if they met again, Marvin would've used the same approach, while Tommy tried to box as you said.
 
I think it would go six rounds before hagler catches him.
 
Out of that era, there is one constant which will pretty much trump Hearns everytime out. Haglars chin.

Haglar KO 7.
 
Tommy immediately comes out on his bicycle, and taking notes from Leonard, knows Marvin just ain't too quick anymore. Tommy's landing that long jab and right hand from outside, and tying Marvin up whenever he gets inside. By the 6th round Marvin finally makes some progress, digging hard to the body as it appears Tommy is taking the round off. Hearns comes back hard to take the 7th and 8th, but in the 9th Marvin finally scores with a lunging right hook that rocks Tommy hard in the closing seconds. Hagler, feeling desperation comes out with everything he has in the 10th, and manages to put Tommy away in a coem from behind win.
 
Tommy immediately comes out on his bicycle, and taking notes from Leonard, knows Marvin just ain't too quick anymore. Tommy's landing that long jab and right hand from outside, and tying Marvin up whenever he gets inside. By the 6th round Marvin finally makes some progress, digging hard to the body as it appears Tommy is taking the round off. Hearns comes back hard to take the 7th and 8th, but in the 9th Marvin finally scores with a lunging right hook that rocks Tommy hard in the closing seconds. Hagler, feeling desperation comes out with everything he has in the 10th, and manages to put Tommy away in a coem from behind win.

Kind of sounds like the first leonard/hearns fight...

Hagler's tenacity is unmatched. His chin is made of granite. And his reach at 5'9 is fucking ridiculous. Because of his reach, he was able to catch tommy so many times.
 
Kind of sounds like the first leonard/hearns fight...

Hagler's tenacity is unmatched. His chin is made of granite. And his reach at 5'9 is fucking ridiculous. Because of his reach, he was able to catch tommy so many times.

Yeah I think it would look similar to Leonard/Hearns I. By 1988 when this fight would have happened had the judges gotten Hagler-Leonard right Hearns had filled into his physique, and Marvin was old, slow, and 5 years past his best, so Tommy would have been able to take advantage of it, but Marvin had the will, the chin, and enough power and gas left in the tank to get to him by the 10th.
 
oddly enough, hearn's best chance may have still been to go for a kayo. he had all the wrong weaknesses for hagler. Not enough physical strength and stamina to box enough to win. Yes he could win a boxing match but not for twelve rounds.
 
"After the right hand, I knew for myself that in order for him to knock me out, he better hit me with that ring post because I'm not going anywhere."

I saw the fight a billion times and people thought Hagler was in all sorts of trouble after Hearns landed that right hand in the first round. I didn't see it. I saw him stunned for like 2 seconds, held, and went on thuggin' along like old Marvin.
 
oddly enough, hearn's best chance may have still been to go for a kayo. he had all the wrong weaknesses for hagler. Not enough physical strength and stamina to box enough to win. Yes he could win a boxing match but not for twelve rounds.

Its not impossible for him to win a decision in this scenario. Tommy finally was really filling into his body as a middleweight and beyond if he wanted to go up, and Marvin was pretty far gone by this point. His conditioning really wasn't the issue, it was just that he(or anyone else for that matter) didn't hit hard enough to KO Marvin, and that he didn't have the beard to withstand punches from a guy with above average power like Marvin, who even at his age still hit like a truck.

I'll give you my impression of what would have happened following the result of my proposed Hagler/Hearns II result as posted earlier.

Hagler notches his 14th successful defense, but never looked more vulnerable in the process. In his quest to be recognized as the greatest, he wants one more defense to break Monzon's record with which he is currently tied.

Hagler refuses to take a soft touch, and decides to go in there against a young, highly touted and highly rated kid named Michael "Second To" Nunn. The fight is set for March 1989.

Hagler, despite wins over Hearns & Ray Leonard, has never looked more vulnerable. Meanwhile, Nunn has beaten Frank Tate, and picked apart one of Hagler's toughest foes, Juan Roldan with relative ease before knocking him out in the 8th.

Nunn employs the same fight plan as Marvin last saw against Thomas Hearns, with the difference being Nunn is at his physical peak. He's younger, faster, more accurate than Tommy was, and is in better shape. He drops a round here and there, but at the end of 12, he wins a wide UD to become the new middleweight champion.

Marvin trained as hard as ever for the fight. Yet he saw how ineffective he was. He knows that he's 35 years old, and that he just doesn't have the physical ability to still be an elite fighter. He made his money, became a crossover superstar, and retires with dignity.

Now, if this chain of events does happen, lets look at what wouldn't have happened:

- Leonard stays retired for who knows how long, because there's no way he doesn't come back, but does he still go up against Lalonde or Hearns or Norris?

- Tommy Hearns doesn't get flattened by Iran Barkley since he fights Hagler instead.

- Barkley doesn't win a piece of the middleweight title, and its possible the only time we hear of him is losing to upper tier middleweights and super middleweights.

- If Barkley doesn't win a piece of the middleweight title, its very possible Roberto Duran never does either, and history is altered as Duran never becomes a 4 division champion.

- Hagler's legacy is altered forever. He beat Ray Leonard, and Thomas Hearns one more time. The one stat that people always use against him when comparing him to Monzon was that he didn't make as many defenses as Carlos. With those two wins he does, and probably cements himself ahead of Monzon right there with Greb and Robinson.

- Michael Nunn's fall from grace is even more tragic, as he beat one of the greatest fighters of all time to become the true middleweight champion, then degenerates into a shell of himself. Instead of beating very good guys, he beats an all-timer and possibly the best middleweight to ever lace them up, only to currently be serving a prison sentence because he couldn't keep his nose clear of the junk.
 
I didn't think hagler was seriously hurt either, but hearns broke his hand trying. I didn't think Hearns ever landed like he did on duran because hagler was never still, a moving target doesn't absorb a full blow unless it moves into a punch, which that big right didn't. He was ducking when the punch caught him, took a bit of the steam out of it. I really don't see hearns beating Hagler in any scenario, except maybe with hagler being too old.
 
Hearns was an amazing boxer. I think he would have changed his game plan and boxed and taken a decision.
 
Hearns would not be able to withstand the pressure MMM would put on him. He'd try to box more for sure, and Manny Steward would make sure nobody massages his legs pre-fight, but it wouldn't matter against Hagler. Hearns would never KO Hagler and that would be his only chance because Hearns always wore down. A little more boxing, a little more running, Hagler KO's Hearns in 6!:icon_chee
 
Thomas Hearns didn't fare so well in his biggest fights.

He lost to Leonard, beat Benitez and Duran, lost to Hagler, stopped Roldan but lost to Barkley, draw with Leonard, beat Virgil Hill and lost to Barkley again.

That makes him 4-4-1 in his biggest fights. I'm not so sure that after losing to Hagler he would have come up with a way to beat him again. No, Hagler wasn't getting any faster or younger, but neither was the Hitman.
 
He lost some of those fights because of his ego. When Hearns checked his ego and boxed, he was one of the best out there. On top of that, he may not have knocked Hagler out, but he may have cut him bad enough to get the fight stopped while he used his long range to stay out of harms way for the most part.
 
There's no doubt that Hearns was a fantastic boxer. And yes, ego may have very well cost him some of those fights. Whether they did or not, though, SOMETHING did. And the fact that in over half of his biggest fights, Hearns found ways NOT to win is important.

On the other hand, Hagler had a draw with Antuofermo, then he would go on to stop Minter, Obelmejias twice (the first two losses of his career), Antuofermo, Hamsho twice, Roldan, Hearns, and Mugabi.

He also defeated Duran by decision and was on the wrong end of the biggest screwjob in boxing history. That makes Hagler 10-1-1 in his 12 biggest fights.

Some guys find ways to win. Some guys find ways to lose. Hagler and Hearns would always be those guys against each other. That's not to say that Hearns would never beat Marvelous Marvin, but I'd take Hagler much more often than not.
 
Thomas Hearns didn't fare so well in his biggest fights.

He lost to Leonard, beat Benitez and Duran, lost to Hagler, stopped Roldan but lost to Barkley, draw with Leonard, beat Virgil Hill and lost to Barkley again.

That makes him 4-4-1 in his biggest fights. I'm not so sure that after losing to Hagler he would have come up with a way to beat him again. No, Hagler wasn't getting any faster or younger, but neither was the Hitman.

The first fight with Barkley wasn't really considered a "big fight" for Hearns going into it, Necro, and I'd certainly replace it with the Cuevas fight as far as prefight "big fight" significance goes.
 
Looking at boxrec, I was six and a half months old when that fight took place, and I've never seen it on tape or television, so I'll have to take your word for it. I do know that Barkley was a bad mf'er, though.
 
Looking at boxrec, I was six and a half months old when that fight took place, and I've never seen it on tape or television, so I'll have to take your word for it. I do know that Barkley was a bad mf'er, though.

They have it up on youtube in it's entirety if you want to take a look at it, ya' noob.
 
Hearns would not be able to withstand the pressure MMM would put on him. He'd try to box more for sure, and Manny Steward would make sure nobody massages his legs pre-fight, but it wouldn't matter against Hagler. Hearns would never KO Hagler and that would be his only chance because Hearns always wore down. A little more boxing, a little more running, Hagler KO's Hearns in 6!:icon_chee

I agree. I don't believe the bullshit about Hearns having his legs massaged. Manny tends to throw b.s. excuses out there for fighters that aren't even his let alone his main squeeze Tommy Hearns. I.E. his ridiculous comment atributing Vernon Forrest getting KTFO by Mayorga to his injured shoulder.
 
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