Social how long has this cultural and political divide been going on in the US?

[My Spot]

Clinton's impeachment and the 2000 election.

 

[BIKES!]

At first this just sounds racist but maybe you're right. I mean this country was built on a certain culture and set of ideas. "Ask not what your country can do for you....but what you can do for your country" A Democrat actually ran on that. And won.

Imagine how that slogan would work today. The shift is now to what can the federal government do for you. New generations have never known real work therefore they think everyone who has something stole it.

Spot on. Enter back to back generations each more entitled than the next, and you’ve lost all sense of pride and love for your country, liberty, and the freedom it grants.

 

[MicroBrew]

I'm black. The civil rights movement and forced integration hurt us more than anyone. And that was by design. But please carry on.

Sure....
Is that your ComebackKidd?

Odd how the vast majority of Black people aren't stating the Civil Rights movement was bad.

 

[Natural Order]

Everything is Marxist / Cultural Marxist with you guys. Rightwingers were demonizing the Civil Rights movement of the 50s/60s as Marxist. Anytime the hegemony of White male patriarchy is perceived to be under threat you guys trot out the "Marxist" accusation.

But there were Marxist movements specifically targeting marginalized groups in the civil rights era. It was written about at great lengths by a Black man of the period who became a Communist through these exact mechanisms.

You can challenge whatever hiearchies are offending you, but understand that these are real things with real initiatives that did, and continue, to take place.

 

[MicroBrew]

But there were Marxist movements specifically targeting marginalized groups in the civil rights era. It was written about at great lengths by a Black man of the period who became a Communist through these exact mechanisms.

You can challenge whatever hiearchies are offending you, but understand that these are real things with real initiatives that did, and continue, to take place.

That may be true, but the Marxist accusation is often used by people on the right to attack any Civil Rights movement that sought to reduce the hegemony of White males / make America more equitable. Whether it is the Civil Rights movement, Gay rights, Women's rights, Obama, BLM etc... the right has been using the Marxist card to attack these entities. The Marxist card is also levelled against Universal Health Care, free college and better funding for social services.

 

[panamaican]

I'm black. The civil rights movement and forced integration hurt us more than anyone. And that was by design. But please carry on.

No, it didn't. Some things changed for the better, some changed for the worse (such as black teachers) but overall it didn't "hurt" black America. People tend to forget just how far ranging segregation was and all of the things that it negatively impacted for black America.

 

[Bargey]

It was actually pretty fierce in GWB’s first term. Before that I think most people were able to compartmentalize their politics from other parts of their world. Then it accelerated under Obama and finally exploded under Trump

 

[TheRealHNIC]

No, it didn't. Some things changed for the better, some changed for the worse (such as black teachers) but overall it didn't "hurt" black America. People tend to forget just how far ranging segregation was and all of the things that it negatively impacted for black America.

I disagree. Integration cut us off at the knees. It also created a toxic mindset within black american that still exists to this day. This is why people like Malcolm X was against it.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Around Obamas 2nd term. When people realized he really was just another shitty president . It then became about race . The Right ate it up while the left refused to accept it. Couple that with the rise of social media and here you are.

 

[Ophydian]

Politicians have been trying for decades to figure out ways to keep the citizens angry at each other and not with them.

 

[grimballer]

there was always a divide, but this type of tribalist divide, that you mostly see in 3rd world countries, where ppl take politics personal and it destroys relationships probably started with gwb, got worse under obama and really became irreparable under trump.

before gwb (in the 90s) there was a sort of compromise where both parties were represented by corporate centrists. republicans conceded social/cultural issues to the democrats, while democrats conceded economy/foreign policy to the republicans/neocons.

under bush and his "war on terror" is where the divide begins. conservatives see the war as necessary to protect us against terrorism, liberals oppose it and go as far as calling bush a war criminal.

obama comes in after 8 years of bush, and arguably one of the worse presidencies ever , with his hope and change message, but doesn't do much. instead he politicized government agencies, targets political opposition and worsens race relations. of course liberals see obama as 2nd coming and consider any criticism of obama as racism. conservatives on the other hand see him as anti christ.

by the time trump gets into the mix both side seem to reject the status quo and establishment politicians. left wingers are now openly embracing socialism, while right wingers are pro nationalism/nativism

 

[Day Drinking]

It’s out to destroy the cultural tradition of family and marriage between a biological man and woman

Marx was very specifically against degenerates.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

From the outside looking in, things worsened sharply around 2014/2015. The memory of the GFC was still pretty bitter, and as his second term wound down, Obama hadn't really met the expectations he'd set for people on the progressive left or the blue-collar middle class. Obama had also occasionally played into identity politics, and BLM and Antifa popped up around that same time, epitomising a radicalised progressive discontent with his presidency (much like the Proud Boys would epitomize conservative discontent).
The Syrian Civil war sparked off intensified fears about the Islamic threat, and the migrant crisis that was stirring up in Europe made it easier to bring the border into sharper focus as a divisive "compassion vs security" issue - an issue that had been simmering for a while.
The rise of ISIS alongside deflections to racism or Islamaphobia as a response to the very mention of Islamic extremism didn't help public trust in the authorities or the media - especially not when Christian-run businesses in the US were being targeted for harassment for their owners' beliefs (I think the gay wedding cake thing happened around this time).
Venzuela's collapse also started around 2014/2015, which added to the border concerns and added fuel to the already firey communist/capitalist debate.
Putin's involvement in Syria, and fears of what Clinton's promised no-fly zone would do to America-Russia relations helped to set the tone of Russophobia that would come to be another partisan divide.
The rise of China and the parallel decline of America on the world stage - emphasised by Obama's apology tour and China's sometime-disregard of him - added to domestic tensions.

This may have all been a series of non-issues in a different time but, amplified by social media, the public conversations mostly served to highlight fundamental differences between the values underpinning each of the two sides that have formed over the ages.

 

[Zazen]

Sure....
Is that your ComebackKidd?

Odd how the vast majority of Black people aren't stating the Civil Rights movement was bad.

Lol, I laughed at that too. This popped up in my head immediately.

 

[panamaican]

I disagree. Integration cut us off at the knees. It also created a toxic mindset within black american that still exists to this day. This is why people like Malcolm X was against it.

Integration didn't cut us off at the knees. You're going to have back up that claim with something concrete.

Otherwise, the idea that not being granted equal access to home loans, colleges, jobs, water fountains, eating establishments, gas stations while traveling, etc. was a long term benefit is simply absurd. Too many people have peddled this idea that being stuck on the bottom of the economy with almost zero chance of upward mobility was great because at least all black people were suffering together.

 

[BForrester]

it was always there but not this violent or extreme. These levels started Mostly Since Bush Jr
Got worse in Obama times
Multiplied a 100 fold in trump and Biden eras

It really coincides with the rise of the internet when you look at the timeline.

 

[mjfan23]

It really coincides with the rise of the internet when you look at the timeline.

Yes internet has no doubt made propaganda and whining easier.

 

[White Whale]

The Hart-Celler immigration act of 1965 was devastating to the working class, killing upward mobility. It was a big part of the divide.

 

[44nutman]

It’s quite simple. Left and right wing media has figured out rage porn click bait articles, drive people to their sites, which allow them to charge a premium for the boner pill ads they run on their station. Problem is most Americans are too dumb to see they are being manipulated.
Howard Stern also addressed a phenomenon in the 90’s when he was a shock jock, the people who hated him based on research listened longer. Propaganda media on both sides know the right click bait rage porn piece will also garner clicks from the other team. Proper headline and your basic Rube will be so angry they have to click it to read the rest.

 

[luckyshot]

It really started much earlier than that. We are just seeing the high level of control that the Marxists have over the country now. There was a progression of advancement for the agenda going back to the 60s and 70s. First came the infiltration of education. It was complete by the time I entered the college system in the early 90s, but one could still defend traditional ideas (like free market principles being better than Communism, etc.) without being called Hitler, unlike now. When I studied education over the years, it became clear that a dramatic shift began in the mid 2000s, culminating with the insanity we have in the education system today. I witnessed the Marxist infiltration and corruption in the education system firsthand, from both sides. By the 2010s, Marxist ideology was in full control of education. It is really a complicated question, but education has never really been about anything other than producing obedient worker drones anyway, but now, they don't even teach anything useful. I left education because I couldn't deal with the endemic fraud and Marxist nonsense.

Marxist ideology is about CLASS WARFARE. There is absolutely, 100% no such thing as "cultural Marxism."

If it's about culture and not economics, it's not Marxism.

I'm not saying that there haven't been leftist ideas about culture and identity influencing many of the nation's institutions, I'm just saying that isn't Marxism.

There's a reason you see "Wokeism" promoted by the world's largest corporation, Amazon, Google, etc... and itvsure as hell isn't because it's "Marxism."

They promote Wokeusm precisely because it comes WITHOUT any progressive economic agenda.