International How does US democracy compare to the rest of world in 2025?

[AmonTobin]

Has anyone seen this report? Your thoughts? Agree/disagree? ​

U.S. could lose democracy status, says global watchdog​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-democracy-report-1.7486317

Democracy Report 2025​

https://www.v-dem.net/

Authoritarian suppression further on the rise: EIU 2024 democracy report​

https://www.democracywithoutborders.org/de/35822/authoritarian-suppression-further-on-the-rise-eiu-2024-democracy-report/​

Democracy Index 2024​

https://www.eiu.com/n/campaigns/democracy-index-2024/

 

[avenue94]

Still a democracy, but it's been backsliding for most of the 21st century. The American obsession with believing the 2A is the most important defense for democracy is one of the reasons, since it's come at the expense of ignoring other more critical factors. Freedom of speech, free press, economic inequality, etc.

Hopefully it reverses, but so far the trajectory is accelerating in the wrong direction.

Also another reason for the backsliding: Imperial wars always come home, and their impact is rarely pro-democracy.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Has anyone seen this report? Your thoughts? Agree/disagree? ​

U.S. could lose democracy status, says global watchdog​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-democracy-report-1.7486317

Democracy Report 2025​

https://www.v-dem.net/

My overall thoughts are what's flying under the radar is the impact of the digital revolution on society, and how there will be a big adjustment period that people will have to work through. Society on the whole has more/less decided that it's ok to go to a post-truth structure (lying is not to be punished, but understood as part of the game), and that people's spiritual axis of understanding sacredness versus profanity, even without a religious bend, is to be broken such that nothing is sacred and profanity spread and accepted. And finally, an overall infantilization of society, where lack of accountability and atomization of people in society keeps theoretically smart people very far from reaching fulfillment but instead talking and acting in very immature ways.

So as societies basically turn their ethics upside down, it follows to me that politics goes upside down as well. As such, politics becomes largely a full on circus, with the biggest source of comedy coming from the political realm. And it just follows that ethics in our politics will also suffer as respect for institutions, rule of law, meritocracy keep going down the downward spiral. There is no smart discourse to be had, and no standards for one to follow, and no feeling of shame or embarrassment amongst the voters. Democracy compared to other systems is an honor system, where people buy into it and honor the institutions and procedures; but our ethics have moved away from honor to just pigs at a trough trying to bully to get their hands on whatever slop they can. So why wouldn't there be a shift away from democracy?

 

[JustOnce]

US still have democracy?

It dies the moment crooked, disgusting, repulsive things that resemble humans vote a monster to power for their own perceived benefits at the expense of immense suffering of other people.

 

[Mr Holmes]

US still have democracy?

It dies the moment crooked, disgusting, repulsive things that resemble humans vote a monster to power for their own perceived benefits at the expense of immense suffering of other people.

 

[Mr Holmes]

V-dem is funded by Soros

 

[aerius]

US democracy summed up in one picture:

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I kind of think when it comes down to "You can vote for those shit cunts or you can vote for these other shit cunts" then it's not a great democracy and needs some reform to give people actual choices.

 

[nhbbear]

I can tell you about how six other countries match up with our criminal justice system from teaching a college course on the topic

 

[avenue94]

I kind of think when it comes down to "You can vote for those shit cunts or you can vote for these other shit cunts" then it's not a great democracy and needs some reform to give people actual choices.

Even I'm come to grudgingly admit that term limits might be necessary, even though they are inherently undemocratic in the short term.

A middle ground might be uncapping the House of Representatives because it's stupidly small, but that would also strip rural and red-leaning areas of the disproportionate power they have right now. Same with the Senate.

 

[Bob Gray]

US democracy summed up in one picture:

Yeah. The only real issue in the U.S. is a Jewish state halfway across the world.

 

[Anewt]

2 team representative democracy is such a bastardised version of democracy.. does it really even count ?

 

[UberHere]

US still have democracy?

It dies the moment crooked, disgusting, repulsive things that resemble humans vote a monster to power for their own perceived benefits at the expense of immense suffering of other people.

Fucking lol

 

[HomeCheese]

Hard to refer to our system as a democracy when corporate money seems to control our elected officials. No one can get elected without some of the dark money from these corporations so it's more like we have a corpocracy.

 

[Corona]

 

[avenue94]

2 team representative democracy is such a bastardised version of democracy.. does it really even count ?

By nearly every definition of democracy, yes. Being a democracy doesn't imply no room for improvement or a lack of flaws.

Hard to refer to our system as a democracy when corporate money seems to control our elected officials. No one can get elected without some of the dark money from these corporations so it's more like we have a corpocracy.

What definition of democracy do you use?

 

[Anewt]

By nearly every definition of democracy, yes. Being a democracy doesn't imply no room for improvement or a lack of flaws.

Sorry for me when its only two teams youre looking at a sport more than a democracy.

 

[avenue94]

Sorry for me when its only two teams youre looking at a sport more than a democracy.

Would you consider Japan a democracy?

 

[Anewt]

Would you consider Japan a democracy?

Honestly? Dont know much about japans goverment.

But sure ?

considefing they have 10 different parties represented in their house of councilers.


My point was i dont think a 2 option democracy can ever really lay claim to being the most democratic in the world....

 

[avenue94]

Honestly? Dont know much about japans goverment.

But sure ?

considefing they have 10 different parties represented in their house of councilers.


My point was i dont think a 2 option democracy can ever really lay claim to being the most democratic in the world....

The LDP has been in power in Japan for 70 of the last 75 years. Point being:
-A democracy can exist with one or a limited number of parties in charge (whether this is ideal or not is another topic)
-Within parties, there are still multiple factions internally. For the LDP, it has various factions, the larger group is really more of an umbrella.