Elections How do Trump supporters reconcile most of his cabinet not supporting his second term as president?

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Trump's 2nd Sec of Defense Esper says that Trump is a threat to continued democracy in the US.

https://www.aol.com/trumps-defense-...sident-threatens-our-democracy-070019008.html

Trump's 1st Sec of Defense Jim Mattis says that Trump is a threat to the US Constitution who uses Nazi like tactics to divide Americans:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Trump's National Security Advisor says Trump is unfit to serve in the office of the Presidency:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bolton-excoriates-trump-fresh-introduction-his-memoir-2024-01-30

And Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff and former 4 Star general John Kelly talking about Trump:

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/poli...-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

Trump's Vice President says that Trump should 'never be President again.'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...again-launching-2024-bid-with-potent-attacks/

Maybe it was Trump tweeting Pence was a traitor and then a crowd of his supporters hunted through the capital building chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and Trump approved of that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan...ce-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html


Saw this thread on Reddit. Pretty telling tbh
 
iwannabeadored said:
Trump's 2nd Sec of Defense Esper says that Trump is a threat to continued democracy in the US.

https://www.aol.com/trumps-defense-...sident-threatens-our-democracy-070019008.html

Trump's 1st Sec of Defense Jim Mattis says that Trump is a threat to the US Constitution who uses Nazi like tactics to divide Americans:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Trump's National Security Advisor says Trump is unfit to serve in the office of the Presidency:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bolton-excoriates-trump-fresh-introduction-his-memoir-2024-01-30

And Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff and former 4 Star general John Kelly talking about Trump:

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/poli...-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

Trump's Vice President says that Trump should 'never be President again.'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...again-launching-2024-bid-with-potent-attacks/

Maybe it was Trump tweeting Pence was a traitor and then a crowd of his supporters hunted through the capital building chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and Trump approved of that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan...ce-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html


Saw this thread on Reddit. Pretty telling tbh
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Tldr my president is Joe Biden!
 
iwannabeadored said:
Trump's 2nd Sec of Defense Esper says that Trump is a threat to continued democracy in the US.

https://www.aol.com/trumps-defense-...sident-threatens-our-democracy-070019008.html

Trump's 1st Sec of Defense Jim Mattis says that Trump is a threat to the US Constitution who uses Nazi like tactics to divide Americans:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Trump's National Security Advisor says Trump is unfit to serve in the office of the Presidency:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bolton-excoriates-trump-fresh-introduction-his-memoir-2024-01-30

And Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff and former 4 Star general John Kelly talking about Trump:

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/poli...-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

Trump's Vice President says that Trump should 'never be President again.'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...again-launching-2024-bid-with-potent-attacks/

Maybe it was Trump tweeting Pence was a traitor and then a crowd of his supporters hunted through the capital building chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and Trump approved of that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan...ce-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html


Saw this thread on Reddit. Pretty telling tbh
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This is a fantastic question and Im eager to hear the mental gymnastic justification for this

Since this circus began, Trump was the perpetual victim. The free press, the media, the politicians, the academics, the intellectuals, "big tech", democracy itself and finally the American legal/judicial system have been victimizing trump.

His daily tweets were about how American institutions were attacking the poor hollywood billionaire.


what ever cult like hold trump has over his supporters, it transcends ALL reason.
 
ermac88 said:
This is a fantastic question and Im eager to hear the mental gymnastic justification for this

Since this circus began, Trump was the perpetual victim. The free press, the media, the politicians, the academics, the intellectuals, "big tech", democracy itself and finally the American legal/judicial system have been victimizing trump.

His daily tweets were about how American institutions were attacking the poor hollywood billionaire.


what ever cult like hold trump has over his supporters, it transcends ALL reason.
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It's not about reason- it's all about feelings.
 
Because Trump was a DC outsider that ultimately relied on establishment GOP(neocons) to craft his administration when he won because he quite frankly didn’t know enough people he could trust in DC. So he was at the mercy of the advice of former Bush acolytes.

Many of those were opposed to his economic nationalist and non-interventionist agenda from the campaign. He also kept a lot of staff holdovers from the Obama admin, which is very rare as new Presidents typically clean house. Trump figured they would do their jobs faithfully because that’s what low level employees do in the business world. He was wrong.

Bannon sounded the alarm from the get-go that these neocons would work to sabotage the agenda people voted for. This was the struggle that eventually led to Bannon’s removal. Kushner wanted Trump to stick with the neocons because his interest rested solely with Israel. Trump listened to Kushner. Fired Bannon. Bannon was right though.

One of the downsides of not being a DC insider is you don’t know how to navigate Washington for allies. The upside is that people know your interests are disconnected from DC and DC interests have nothing to do with Americans.

Trump finally admits now that he hired very poorly in his first term. The good news now is there is a more clear MAGA movement in DC and in states throughout the country for Trump to craft his next administration on.

That whole Project 2025 thing democrats fear monger about is merely Heritage helpfully making an outline for Trump to hire allies and get rid of holdovers this time. Which is pretty much what every President does but Trump didn’t at the beginning.

One can chalk that up to Trump possibly not expecting victory in 2016 but it’s all the same whether he did or not. He still put his trust in the wrong people based on a letter. Not by where they stood on the centerpieces of his platform.

It’s also Trump was a one man movement in 2016. MAGA didn’t have anybody else running g for office in 2016..it ran concurrently with the last gasp of the Tea Party movement which is mostly opposed to Trump on major issues in his platform.,so all the Republicans that joined him in Washington were of a more open borders, war machine, hyper internationalist capitalism bent.

So the ex-staff that don’t support Trump likely never did but a high level job is a high level job..many of them turned to democrats so their careers or media appearance can continue after Trump. Especially since the threat communicated through media is that anybody who worked for Trump is “tainted”. So obviously people who live and work in DC feel compelled to make nice. Especially if they personally believe Trump won’t win again.

We’ll see what they say when he does.
 
Kingz said:
Because Trump was a DC outsider that ultimately relied on establishment GOP(neocons) to craft his administration when he won because he quite frankly didn’t know enough people he could trust in DC. So he was at the mercy of the advice of former Bush acolytes.

Many of those were opposed to his economic nationalist and non-interventionist agenda from the campaign. He also kept a lot of staff holdovers from the Obama admin, which is very rare as new Presidents typically clean house. Trump figured they would do their jobs faithfully because that’s what low level employees do in the business world. He was wrong.

Bannon sounded the alarm from the get-go that these neocons would work to sabotage the agenda people voted for. This was the struggle that eventually led to Bannon’s removal. Kushner wanted Trump to stick with the neocons because his interest rested solely with Israel. Trump listened to Kushner. Fired Bannon. Bannon was right though.

One of the downsides of not being a DC insider is you don’t know how to navigate Washington for allies. The upside is that people know your interests are disconnected from DC and DC interests have nothing to do with Americans.

Trump finally admits now that he hired very poorly in his first term. The good news now is there is a more clear MAGA movement in DC and in states throughout the country for Trump to craft his next administration on.

That whole Project 2025 thing democrats fear monger about is merely Heritage helpfully making an outline for Trump to hire allies and get rid of holdovers this time. Which is pretty much what every President does but Trump didn’t at the beginning.

One can chalk that up to Trump possibly not expecting victory in 2016 but it’s all the same whether he did or not. He still put his trust in the wrong people based on a letter. Not by where they stood on the centerpieces of his platform.

It’s also Trump was a one man movement in 2016. MAGA didn’t have anybody else running g for office in 2016..it ran concurrently with the last gasp of the Tea Party movement which is mostly opposed to Trump on major issues in his platform.,so all the Republicans that joined him in Washington were of a more open borders, war machine, hyper internationalist capitalism bent.

So the ex-staff that don’t support Trump likely never did but a high level job is a high level job..many of them turned to democrats so their careers or media appearance can continue after Trump. Especially since the threat communicated through media is that anybody who worked for Trump is “tainted”. So obviously people who live and work in DC feel compelled to make nice. Especially if they personally believe Trump won’t win again.

We’ll see what they say when he does.
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well said
 
iwannabeadored said:
Trump's 2nd Sec of Defense Esper says that Trump is a threat to continued democracy in the US.

https://www.aol.com/trumps-defense-...sident-threatens-our-democracy-070019008.html

Trump's 1st Sec of Defense Jim Mattis says that Trump is a threat to the US Constitution who uses Nazi like tactics to divide Americans:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

Trump's National Security Advisor says Trump is unfit to serve in the office of the Presidency:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bolton-excoriates-trump-fresh-introduction-his-memoir-2024-01-30

And Trump's longest serving Chief of Staff and former 4 Star general John Kelly talking about Trump:

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/poli...-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

Trump's Vice President says that Trump should 'never be President again.'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarado...again-launching-2024-bid-with-potent-attacks/

Maybe it was Trump tweeting Pence was a traitor and then a crowd of his supporters hunted through the capital building chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and Trump approved of that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan...ce-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html


Saw this thread on Reddit. Pretty telling tbh
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