Opinion Hegseth to U.S. generals: "Prepare for war."

It didn't work at Nuremberg, it didn't work at My Lai, and it dang sure didn't work in Iraq.
Sadly it did kind of work in My Lai. Charges were dropped against most involved. I think only one guy went to prison and it wasn’t for very long.

But Guillotine already stated in an earlier posted that “outside the obviously unlawful orders like killing civilians it can be tricky”.
 
The actual law lol, ie UCMJ, federal laws, Geneva Conventions, etc.

And you thing any average know the details of any of theses. So unless it something so obvious like killing civilians which is still a gray area in many cases it would be a feelings.

Like I said you can refuse any order you want but you are most likely in all but extreme cases going to be wrong and pay heavily for it.

But if someone wants to roll the dice thats up to them. The couple of cases I saw they were very wrong and paid for it.
 
And you thing any average know the details of any of theses. So unless it something so obvious like killing civilians which is still a gray area in many cases it would be a feelings.

Like I said you can refuse any order you want but you are most likely in all but extreme cases going to be wrong and pay heavily for it.

But if someone wants to roll the dice thats up to them. The couple of cases I saw they were very wrong and paid for it.

You’re not rolling the dice if the order given is actually against the law lol. There really isn’t all the grey area you imagine there being. It boils down to is the order breaking a law yes/no. No one is arguing that you can refuse any order and get away with it. But you can refuse any unlawful order and the person who will actually get in trouble is the one issued the unlawful order.
 
You’re not rolling the dice if the order given is actually against the law lol. There really isn’t all the grey area you imagine there being. It boils down to is the order breaking a law yes/no. No one is arguing that you can refuse any order and get away with it. But you can refuse any unlawful order and the person who will actually get in trouble is the one issued the unlawful order.

Yes and its has to be an actual unlawful order and you have to prove it.
 
In my experience, the military has become significantly more political, especially at the higher levels. The selection process for general officers now heavily involves political alliances. It's important to remember that the military's history has been intertwined with politics and politicians for a long time. While this isn't new, it has worsened since around 2009.

Since Trump retook office, some rules of engagement have changed, and those changes are more logical, rational, and better than the ones issued by the previous administration.

For example, if an adversary fires a rocket at you, then drops it and runs away, you can't kill him because he's unarmed. That makes sense, right? This was something the Biden administration imposed on us.

Meanwhile, liberals are acting as if this situation were akin to the night of the long knives. If some generals are being fired or have been fired, so what? They will receive their pensions, write their books, and likely earn $500,000 or more in defense contracting afterwards. It's not worth feeling too sorry for them.

The show of having all generals stand before the man is unprecedented, a somber audience would make sense. They're the generals not the real soldiers. Again remember how political the military is now? The generals are protecting their image at all times, clapping or celebrating out of turn is a bad look… but it's also just not the crowd that's going to be emotional about anything. Trump a kind of missed the mark on that one.
What rules of engagement did Trump change exactly?
 
One of the best, most inspiring, most common sense speeches I've heard in a long time. It's about time the military was treated like the actual military again and not some bastardized liberal social experiment.
 
When morons such as Hegworth talk about DEI we know what they really mean



Lloyd Austin​

United States Secretary of Defense
500px-Secretary_of_Defense_Lloyd_Austin%2C_official_portrait%2C_2023.jpg


  • Commander of United States Central Command (CENTCOM)
  • Vice chief of staff of the Army
  • Commander of United States Forces – Iraq
  • The unique distinction of having commanded in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan at the one-, two-, three- and four-star levels
  • recipient of the Silver Star

Rank: General

Commands:


Pete Hegseth​

United States Secretary of Defense
500px-Pete_Hegseth_Official_Portrait.jpg



  • commissioned as an infantry officer in the Minnesota Army National Guard, serving at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • contributor to Fox morning show "Fox and Friends"
  • promises to stop drinking booze if confirmed.

RANK:
Major




b-b-b-b-but merit!

Imagine being a general listening to this muppet




Its okay to take the pre-Truman enlisted view, and just say it

In truth Hegs is the actuall DEI or DUI in his case
 
I actually think he is just saying it because its the kind of dramatic , portentous, Alpha Dog (/s) speech he always imagined giving when he was first told he had a chance to be SecDef.

I'm seeing reports that his behaviour around the Pentagon is really sketchy, like, twitchy-erratic sketchy, like, over-stimulated sketchy.
Yeah that was cringe AF. Sounds like one of these meathead former navy seals preaching the importance of automatic weapons on YT. But in his defense, I feel like this is standard Murrkan narration/speech these days. All of them overemphasize everything it‘s super cringe.
 
When morons such as Hegworth talk about DEI we know what they really mean



Lloyd Austin​

United States Secretary of Defense
500px-Secretary_of_Defense_Lloyd_Austin%2C_official_portrait%2C_2023.jpg


  • Commander of United States Central Command (CENTCOM)
  • Vice chief of staff of the Army
  • Commander of United States Forces – Iraq
  • The unique distinction of having commanded in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan at the one-, two-, three- and four-star levels
  • recipient of the Silver Star

Rank: General

Commands:


Pete Hegseth​

United States Secretary of Defense
500px-Pete_Hegseth_Official_Portrait.jpg



  • commissioned as an infantry officer in the Minnesota Army National Guard, serving at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • contributor to Fox morning show "Fox and Friends"
  • promises to stop drinking booze if confirmed.

RANK:
Major




b-b-b-b-but merit!

Imagine being a general listening to this muppet




Its okay to take the pre-Truman enlisted view, and just say it

In truth Hegs is the actuall DEI or DUI in his case
Hahaha I am typically on the side that shits on the whole DEI nonsense but you fucking killed it in this post, well done.
 
War in the US as a reason to not hold elections.
 
Yes and its has to be an actual unlawful order and you have to prove it.

Yeah, no shit, old timer lol. But you’re not rolling the dice if you abide by the law. I’m glad you’re out of the military, because it sounds like you’re to type to blindly follow any order without question lol. (Just joking)
 
You mean the files Biden initially buried? Those files?

They were destroyed before Trump even took office. That’s why he said there are no files, because they were fucking destroyed but he cant say that lol
This is some hilarious cope. Keep living in denial that you worship a big orange chomo.
 
Yeah, no shit, old timer lol. But you’re not rolling the dice if you abide by the law. I’m glad you’re out of the military, because it sounds like you’re to type to blindly follow any order without question lol. (Just joking)

So like we said it would have to be something very bad like killing civilians.

And even that might not be. Say a bomber pilot refused to bomb a target like an ammo factory during WW2 because civilians worked there. How do you think that would have worked out.

The if you have a case of some officer ordering his men to just pull women a children out and line them up and shoot them. We know this is wrong an unlawful and I would hope they would disabley him and even arrest him and turn him in. I would have to roll the dice on that and hope for the best.
 
On a side note, I can confidently say that Pete would fail to meet current female fitness standards. Man can't do a proper push up
 
And even that might not be. Say a bomber pilot refused to bomb a target like an ammo factory during WW2 because civilians worked there. How do you think that would have worked out.

An ammo factory would be a military objective and likely lawful to destroy in war
The if you have a case of some officer ordering his men to just pull women a children out and line them up and shoot them. We know this is wrong an unlawful and I would hope they would disabley him and even arrest him and turn him in. I would have to roll the dice on that and hope for the best.

There are examples of this from past wars and the person issuing the order was always found guilty. Again, refusing an order like that one is not rolling the dice. It’s the right thing to do.
 
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