HEAVYWEIGHT COACH (why the average coach shouldn't be training heavy weights)

[wufabufa]

ok here you go...enjoy!!!

I thought you guys are nearing extinction.

 

[-guerilla-]

I would expect the super heavyweight to do the same amount and I would expect the lightweight to do the same amount of lifting as the heavyweight.

What you're comparing isn't exactly equal. A superheavyweight should be able to do the same amount of jump rope I would expect his intensity and speed at doing it would be slower, but cutting corners is just a cop out saying it's okay you're bigger you can do less work and hope your power gets you by. Saying he's bigger so he shouldn't do it is just a weak excuse. This is boxing, fitness is king.

Did you just say....

You would expect a 115 to lift like a 289?

#epic check mate?

 

[Woldog]

Did you just say....

You would expect a 115 to lift like a 289?

#epic check mate?

I would expect the super heavyweight to do the same amount and I would expect the lightweight to do the same amount of lifting as the heavyweight.

Amount of lifting you dumb ass. Not lifting the same amount. Jesus christ you're dumb.

#you'readumbass

 

[-guerilla-]

@-guerilla- , what’s your opinion on heavy weight lifting for striking such as boxing? Personally I didn’t saw any major carryover. However I do like doing kettle swings.

Mat-bag-pads

All else is wasted time

"Dead weight"

 

[-guerilla-]

I would expect the super heavyweight to do the same amount and I would expect the lightweight to do the same amount of lifting as the heavyweight.

Amount of lifting you dumb ass. Not lifting the same amount. Jesus christ you're dumb.

#you'readumbass

Yeah

I'm kind of stupid

must be all those punches I took back in the day

So you're going to have to break this down a little more for me

what exactly do you expect a 115-pound athlete to equate to a 289 pound athlete in the weight room?

 

[-guerilla-]

I miss the fried pineapple rice from Thailand

More like katoey

 

[Woldog]

Yeah

I'm kind of stupid

must be all those punches I took back in the day

So you're going to have to break this down a little more for me

what exactly do you expect a 115-pound athlete to equate to a 289 pound athlete in the weight room?

That's another dumbass blanket statement. 115lb athlete could be able to lift 200lb. Heavyweight could max out at 120lb. How the fuck would I know, like most of the dumb shit you say you blanket everything under a black and white cover there is no grey area. This is why you appear to be a dumbass. I'm sure you know some stuff but they way you word things makes you seem like you're completely ignorant to the fact that not all athletes are identical.

By your logic 300lb John Goodman should be able to bench the same as a 300lb NFL linebacker.

 

[-guerilla-]

Come on dude you can do better than that I looked way fatter in the other pic

 

[-guerilla-]

That's another dumbass blanket statement. 115lb athlete could be able to lift 200lb. Heavyweight could max out at 120lb. How the fuck would I know, like most of the dumb shit you say you blanket everything under a black and white cover there is no grey area. This is why you appear to be a dumbass. I'm sure you know some stuff but they way you word things makes you seem like you're completely ignorant to the fact that not all athletes are identical.

By your logic 300lb John Goodman should be able to bench the same as a 300lb NFL linebacker.

Look man you seem like a nice guy but you're out of your element Donny

the fact is there are multiple high school sports like weightlifting wrestling track and field football soccer and a bunch of other really fruity stuff I don't know anything about

one thing is abundantly clear

you know dick about any of this because you didn't compete at the high school level

You likely did all your training at the local strip mall if you did any at all

and there's nothing wrong with that

it's the only access you could find because you were born in the time you were in the United States that prioritises the business of martial arts over the public access that the rest of the world enjoys

It's just that you can't accept the most basic and logistic truth that a 289 lb athlete is radically different from a 115 lb athlete

you have a scientific education... why don't you have this debate in scientific terms?

let's talk about the Ant and the elephant?

Cell loss theory?

 

[Woldog]

Look man you seem like a nice guy but you're out of your element Donny

the fact is there are multiple high school sports like weightlifting wrestling track and field football soccer and a bunch of other really fruity stuff I don't know anything about

one thing is abundantly clear

you know dick about any of this because you didn't compete at the high school level

You likely did all your training at the local strip mall if you did any at all

and there's nothing wrong with that

it's the only access you could find because you were born in the time you were in the United States that prioritises the business of martial arts over the public access that the rest of the world enjoys

It's just that you can't accept the most basic and logistic truth that a 289 lb athlete is radically different from a 115 lb athlete

you have a scientific education... why don't you have this debate in scientific terms?

let's talk about the Ant and the elephant?

Cell loss theory?

I'm not from the United States and trained out of the most successful gym in Australia with more title holders than any other over the last 10 years.... My first trainer (when I was 12 years old) took a fighter nobody had heard of and molded him into someone who challenged Klitschko for his titles and my trainers brother was a world champion in boxing.

You are just straight up ignoring what I'm saying and focusing on what you want to see. A trainer needs to tailor things to the specific fighter. A 115lb fighter should be able to do the SAME AMOUNT of lifting relative to his size and physical strength as a heavyweight in the exact same way a heavyweight should be able to do the same length of time of jump rope at whatever intensity he can maintain.
If anyone is out of their depth here it's you, like I've said (and proved) multiple fucking times I fought and trained for 17 years and I fought for national titles.

 

[-guerilla-]

I'm not from the United States and trained out of the most successful gym in Australia with more title holders than any other over the last 10 years.... My first trainer (when I was 12 years old) took a fighter nobody had heard of and molded him into someone who challenged Klitschko for his titles and my trainers brother was a world champion in boxing.

You are just straight up ignoring what I'm saying and focusing on what you want to see. A trainer needs to tailor things to the specific fighter. A 115lb fighter should be able to do the SAME AMOUNT of lifting relative to his size and physical strength as a heavyweight in the exact same way a heavyweight should be able to do the same length of time of jump rope at whatever intensity he can maintain.
If anyone is out of their depth here it's you, like I've said (and proved) multiple fucking times I fought and trained for 17 years and I fought for national titles.

Ok calm down

You said....

"relative to his size and physical strength"
Yes?

How do u quantify the relative amount?

Eh?

Im Afrikaans not American

 

[Woldog]

Ok calm down

You said....

"relative to his size and physical strength"

Yes

Im Afrikaans not American

Pierre Spies was 25 kilograms lighter than Os Du Randt and yet Os Du Randt only benched 5 kilograms more than Spies. By your logic Os Du Randt should be benching far more simply because he's far heavier.
Or the fact that a 93kg winger Digby Ioane bench pressed 180kg 10 - 20 kilograms heavier than both of them. Despite being nearly 40kgs lighter than Os Du Randt

 

[-guerilla-]

Pierre Spies was 25 kilograms lighter than Os Du Randt and yet Os Du Randt only benched 5 kilograms more than Spies. By your logic Os Du Randt should be benching far more simply because he's far heavier.
Or the fact that a 93kg winger Digby Ioane bench pressed 180kg 10 - 20 kilograms heavier than both of them. Despite being nearly 40kgs lighter than Os Du Randt

Do you know why the Greco Romans separated the Olympics into the classes they chose?

 

[Woldog]

Do you know why the Greco Romans separated the Olympics into the classes they chose?

Do you know why separating trainers into the same weight class as their fighters is an absolutely absurd theory? I'm not talking about weight classes. I'm saying the point is anyone can train anyone. The size of the trainer has no bearing on the quality of training or their understanding of the intricacies of fighting at heavyweight or a lightweights.
Mildly beneficial is about as good as it would get.

Emmanuel Steward was a lightweight who had 41 world champions across all divisions.

 

[-guerilla-]

Do you know why separating trainers into the same weight class as their fighters is an absolutely absurd theory? I'm not talking about weight classes. I'm saying the point is anyone can train anyone. The size of the trainer has no bearing on the quality of training or their understanding of the intricacies of fighting at heavyweight or a lightweights.
Mildly beneficial is about as good as it would get.

Emmanuel Steward was a lightweight who had 41 world champions across all divisions.

that answer is incorrect

the correct answer is they recognized each discipline was equally important to combat profenciy

So...weightlifting and running are equal disciplines

 

[Woldog]

that answer is incorrect

the correct answer is they recognized each discipline was equally important to combat profenciy

So...weightlifting and running are equal disciplines

#goalposting #pointlessconversation

 

[Noodles03]

More like katoey

 

[-guerilla-]

The ancient Greco Roman palestras had trainers and coaches that recognized that each dicipline was equal

They recognized that cardio and strength both had an EQUAL role to play

Modern science has given us the answer to the ant and the elephant

Relative strength
is understood scientifically

Everything else is relative as well

 

[Woldog]

The ancient Greco Roman palestras had trainers and coaches that recognized that each dicipline was equal

They recognized that cardio and strength both had an EQUAL role to play

Modern science has given us the answer to the ant and the elephant

Relative strength
is understood scientifically

Everything else is relative as well

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH COACHING

 

[nefti]

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH COACHING

Dude is delusional