International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VI

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tastaylvr said:
How do both of you have the same video with two completely different headlines?
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There are actually videos of IDF helping Gazans.
I haven’t seen one video of Hamas helping their own people. So I am going to assume it was Hamas that killed the civilians. Ask yourself this question. Would you rather be a Gazan near IDF soldiers? Or a Gazan near Hamas?
 
tastaylvr said:
How do both of you have the same video with two completely different headlines?
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One is right the other is wrong. That is the IDF targeting unarmed civilians like they always do. They did it in the church, they did it near hospitals, they do it in the west bank, their snipers are murderers and criminals.
 
Strychnine said:
Up the thread it was already posted that Hamas did it to keep the civilians close to them so they wouldn't escape.

Since we now have conflicting reports, I'm going to go with...

{<shrug}

I pray for that poor victim.
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There is precedent for the IDF terrorist snipers targeting unarmed civilians, like teenagers, doctors, journalists, women in churches, etc. Let's not pretend like the IDF hasn't done this before or wouldn't do it.
 
7even said:


There are actually videos of IDF helping Gazans.
I haven’t seen one video of Hamas helping their own people. So I am going to assume it was Hamas that killed the civilians. Ask yourself this question. Would you rather be a Gazan near IDF soldiers? Or a Gazan near Hamas?
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They only do that when they are PR team tells them to. Normally they would be killing them, denying them food, water and medicine, and of course, killing journalists who expose them.

Don't pretend that the IDF snipers don't murder unarmed civilians. You know they do.
 
meauneau said:
They only do that when they are PR team tells them to. Normally they would be killing them, denying them food, water and medicine, and of course, killing journalists who expose them.

Don't pretend that the IDF snipers don't murder unarmed civilians. You know they do.
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Aren't you the guy that was implying ISIS was actually Israeli?
 
news.gallup.com

Americans Divided Over U.S. Involvement in Middle East

Equal percentages of Americans -- roughly four in 10 -- say the U.S. is doing "about the right amount" or "not enough" to end the Israel-Hamas conflict.
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Didn't expect these numbers if i'm completely honest
41% saying the US is delivering the right amount of support,
39% saying they're not doing enough
with only 19% thinking it's too much.

That's a welcome bit of good news for Israel i guess.
Heard alot about there beeing virtually no support for Israel on here. Seems to just be a loud minority i guess
 
meauneau said:
They only do that when they are PR team tells them to. Normally they would be killing them, denying them food, water and medicine, and of course, killing journalists who expose them.

Don't pretend that the IDF snipers don't murder unarmed civilians. You know they do.
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Like the staged videos 'hamas' surrendering. The PR is in overdrive to cover up the IDF's crimes.
 
Rational Poster said:
No, Hamas is clearly a military and political entity with a defined structure of hierarchy and leadership. They can be dealt with just like any other terror organization that has existed and been dealt with.
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So, like the drive for a united Ireland was dealt with when the IRA were dealt with? That type of thing has never been achieved.

My point is that while you can attack people and buildings, you cannot bomb or bulldoze ideas. Unless you kill everyone who will think them.

kflo said:
noone is talking about killing everybody.

and hamas is much more than just an idea. they ARE the governing body. they have real leadership. real members. they physically control inside gaza.
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Israel is prosecuting a total war currently which means that civilians are indeed viable targets. Not killing everybody, but everybody is a potential collateral target.

Yes Hamas is more than just an idea, my point was that it is not just a physical entity.
 
Phlog said:
So, like the drive for a united Ireland was dealt with when the IRA were dealt with? That type of thing has never been achieved.

My point is that while you can attack people and buildings, you cannot bomb or bulldoze ideas. Unless you kill everyone who will think them.



Israel is prosecuting a total war currently which means that civilians are indeed viable targets. Not killing everybody, but everybody is a potential collateral target.

Yes Hamas is more than just an idea, my point was that it is not just a physical entity.
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Ireland still isn't united and the IRA likely hasn't been active for longer than you've been alive.

So, yes a bit like that I suppose.

Your point is silly and not rooted in reality. Holding a bad idea doesn't make you immune from retaliation just because other people may think a bad idea in the future.
 
It's looking more like an escalation of this shadow war between Israel and Iran will continue into an overt conflict.

Does Israel then turn large parts of the middle east into glass? They don't seem to be held back by humanitarian concerns or concerns regarding escalation.

What does this mean for the US as the tail continues to wag the dog through its corrupt lobbying system?

Could this be the beginning of WWIII? It seems like the protagonists are willfully ignorant of their responsibility.
 
Phlog said:
It's looking more like an escalation of this shadow war between Israel and Iran will continue into an overt conflict.

Does Israel then turn large parts of the middle east into glass? They don't seem to be held back by humanitarian concerns or concerns regarding escalation.

What does this mean for the US as the tail continues to wag the dog through its corrupt lobbying system?

Could this be the beginning of WWIII? It seems like the protagonists are willfully ignorant of their responsibility.
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Looks like if it does escalate Americans will fight and die for a foreign country that doesn't see them as equals.
 
I think the biggest danger to world peace is Israel. They will nuke the West if they need to in order to achieve their goals. They don't care about us, they don't see us as humans/equals.
 
Rational Poster said:
Ireland still isn't united and the IRA likely hasn't been active for longer than you've been alive.

So, yes a bit like that I suppose.

Your point is silly and not rooted in reality. Holding a bad idea doesn't make you immune from retaliation just because other people may think a bad idea in the future.
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The people of Ireland continue to work towards unification and it is now closer than it ever has been, despite the IRA having been largely dismantled.

I didn't suggest that having an idea made you immune from retaliation. I suggested that you cannot bomb an idea.

The only way to combat an idea is to remove the criteria for it being held. In this instance the idea is related to occupation opposition. Killing people that hold that idea actually does the opposite of reducing the idea. This is what the USA taught Bin Laden and the USA then fell victim to it, now Israel is doing the same. Soooo dumb. It's like no one has read Sun Tzu The Art of War.
 
Phlog said:
The people of Ireland continue to work towards unification and it is now closer than it ever has been, despite the IRA having been largely dismantled.

I didn't suggest that having an idea made you immune from retaliation. I suggested that you cannot bomb an idea.

The only way to combat an idea is to remove the criteria for it being held. In this instance the idea is related to occupation opposition. Killing people that hold that idea actually does the opposite of reducing the idea. This is what the USA taught Bin Laden and the USA then fell victim to it, now Israel is doing the same. Soooo dumb. It's like no one has read Sun Tzu The Art of War.
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lmao I can't take you seriously.
 
meauneau said:
I think the biggest danger to world peace is Israel. They will nuke the West if they need to in order to achieve their goals. They don't care about us, they don't see us as humans/equals.
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you know nothing about israel or israeli's or jews.

you seem to learn about jewish people from nazi propaganda and reddit /nazi.
 
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